Judyth Vary Baker: The Story So Far
(According to Judyth Vary Baker, Martin Shackelford,
and Howard Platzman, Ph.D.)

Copyright © 2004-2008 by David Reitzes

Judyth Vary Baker (center), with Martin Shackelford (left) and Howard Platzman (right)

 

Note: Howard Platzman was co-author (with Judyth Baker) of "Deadly Alliance: Outline of the Conspiracy," various drafts of which were submitted to assassination researchers and prospective publishers. Martin Shackelford was described by Platzman in 2002 as Judyth's lead researcher, and contributed the Afterword to Judyth Vary Baker, Lee Harvey Oswald: The True Story of the Accused Assassin of President John F. Kennedy By His Lover.⁽¹⁾

 

John McAdams's article on Judyth Baker at the Kennedy Assassination Home Page highlights many of the problems with those portions of Judyth's story that have been made publicly available; but I'd like to emphasize a few more of the contradictions inherent in Judyth's various accounts to date.

Judyth Vary Baker worked for the CIA on an anti-Castro assassination project, and she can prove it.⁽²⁾

Judyth was never an employee or agent of the CIA, and never said she was.⁽³⁾

It was due to a series of events involving her relationship with Dr. Mary Sherman that Judyth came to meet Lee Harvey Oswald.⁽⁴⁾

Judyth and Oswald's meeting had nothing to do with Mary Sherman.⁽⁵⁾

Judyth was introduced to Lee Oswald one day in New Orleans.⁽⁶⁾

No one introduced Judyth to Oswald, they met purely by chance.⁽⁷⁾

Or possibly not.⁽⁸⁾

Oswald worked for the CIA on an anti-Castro assassination project (and others), and Judyth can prove it.⁽⁹⁾

Oswald may not have worked for the CIA after all.⁽¹⁰⁾

No, of course Oswald worked for the CIA. He was "on loan" from another agency, though.⁽¹¹⁾

Maybe.⁽¹²⁾

A photograph published in the Warren Commission Report shows Judyth standing next to Oswald.⁽¹³⁾

There are no photographs depicting both Judyth and Oswald, and Judyth has never claimed otherwise.⁽¹⁴⁾

There is (or was) a second photograph depicting both Judyth and Oswald.⁽¹⁵⁾

Judyth was free to carry on an affair with Oswald and work on the anti-Castro plot because the conspirators had arranged to get her husband, Robert Baker, a job that required his prolonged absence from home.⁽¹⁶⁾

Robert Baker got a job that required his prolonged absence from home because he himself had requested such a position. The conspirators had nothing to do with his job.⁽¹⁷⁾

Well, the conspirators might have had something to do with Robert Baker's job.⁽¹⁸⁾

The conspirators kept Robert Baker away from home for prolonged periods, but only so long as he let them, which greatly upset Judyth.⁽¹⁹⁾

Judyth met Jack Ruby only once.⁽²⁰⁾

Judyth met Jack Ruby twice.⁽²¹⁾

David Atlee Phillips was one of Oswald's CIA handlers.⁽²²⁾

David Atlee Phillips may not have been one of Oswald's CIA handlers.⁽²³⁾

Oswald knew Phillips by name.⁽²⁴⁾

Oswald did not know Phillips by name.⁽²⁵⁾

Oswald knew his handler as "Bishop."⁽²⁶⁾

Oswald did not know his handler as "Bishop."⁽²⁷⁾

"Bishop" was Phillips.⁽²⁸⁾

"Bishop" and Phillips may have been two different people.⁽²⁹⁾

Oswald said that Phillips was "Bishop."⁽³⁰⁾

Oswald never said that Phillips was "Bishop."⁽³¹⁾

Oswald knew his handler as "Mr. B."⁽³²⁾

Oswald did not know his handler as "Mr. B."⁽³³⁾

"Mr. B" was Oswald's personal nickname for his handler.⁽³⁴⁾

"Mr. B" may have been a widely known nickname for Oswald's handler within the CIA.⁽³⁵⁾

"Mr. B" was Phillips.⁽³⁶⁾

"Mr. B" may not have been Phillips.⁽³⁷⁾

"Mr. B" was someone else.⁽³⁸⁾

"Mr. B" may have been two different people, one of whom may have been Phillips.⁽³⁹⁾

"Mr. B" was also "Bishop."⁽⁴⁰⁾

"Mr. B" may not have been "Bishop."⁽⁴¹⁾

Oswald knew his handler as "Mr. Benson" or "Mr. Benton."⁽⁴²⁾

"Mr. Benson" or "Mr. Benton" was Phillips.⁽⁴³⁾

"Mr. Benson" or "Mr. Benton" may have been somebody else.⁽⁴⁴⁾

"Mr. B," "Mr. Bishop," and "Mr. Benson" or "Mr. Benton" were all the same person.⁽⁴⁵⁾

"Mr. B," "Mr. Bishop," and "Mr. Benson" or "Mr. Benton" may have been at least two different people.⁽⁴⁶⁾

Judyth (or possibly Oswald and Judyth both) overheard someone at the Reily company say that Phillips was "Bishop."⁽⁴⁷⁾

It was Oswald, not Judyth, who overheard someone at the Reily company say that Phillips was "Bishop"; Judyth was waiting in a car outside.⁽⁴⁸⁾

At any rate, Oswald's handler was named Mr. Benson, Mr. Bishop, or David Atlee Phillips.⁽⁴⁹⁾

Phillips, Benson, Bishop, Bender . . . what difference does it make?⁽⁵⁰⁾

Judyth met Guy Banister just once.⁽⁵¹⁾

Judyth met Guy Banister twice.⁽⁵²⁾

Guy Banister was a CIA operative.⁽⁵³⁾

Guy Banister was not a CIA operative, and Judyth never said he had anything to do with the CIA.⁽⁵⁴⁾

He did have connections to the CIA, though.⁽⁵⁵⁾

Or, if not the CIA, at least the U.S. government.⁽⁵⁶⁾

Judyth was introduced to Clay Shaw on one occasion, saw him from a distance on another, and spoke with him once on the phone. Shaw paid for some of her hotel trysts with Oswald.⁽⁵⁷⁾

Judyth simply saw Clay Shaw on two occasions.⁽⁵⁸⁾

Judyth simply met Clay Shaw one time.⁽⁵⁹⁾

Judyth did not know Clay Shaw.⁽⁶⁰⁾

Judyth knew Carlos Marcello, who affectionately referred to her as "That Little Thing." She and Oswald met with him personally, he picked up the tab for many of their dinners out, and it was due to his influence that she was never murdered by the conspirators who killed John F. Kennedy.⁽⁶¹⁾

Judyth did not know Carlos Marcello, and she has never claimed that she did.⁽⁶²⁾

Oswald discussed Richard Case Nagell with Judyth in some detail, informing her he knew that Nagell, whom he referred to as one of his "doppelgangers," "had purposely gotten himself arrested for fear of being set up as a patsy."⁽⁶³⁾

Oswald may have never discussed Nagell with Judyth, and anyone who thinks Judyth has referred to Richard Case Nagell in her writings is only making an assumption.⁽⁶⁴⁾

Judyth's mentor was famed surgeon and humanitarian Dr. Alton Ochsner. For a time she worked for Ochsner.⁽⁶⁵⁾

Judyth never worked for Alton Ochsner and never claimed to. They had no formal relationship.⁽⁶⁶⁾

Clay Shaw was closely involved in the anti-Castro plot with Ochsner and the others.⁽⁶⁷⁾

Clay Shaw was not closely involved in the anti-Castro plot with Ochsner and the others.⁽⁶⁸⁾

Guy Banister and Clay Shaw were both plotters.⁽⁶⁹⁾

Guy Banister and Clay Shaw were not plotters, and Judyth never said they were.⁽⁷⁰⁾

The plan was to inject Castro with deadly cancer cells and let him die a natural death from cancer.⁽⁷¹⁾

The plan was to inject Castro with deadly cancer cells so it would appear he died a natural death from cancer.⁽⁷²⁾

The plan was to kill Castro with a combination of cancer injections and X-ray radiation.⁽⁷³⁾

The plan was to kill Castro with a combination of cancer injections, X-ray radiation, and chemotherapy.⁽⁷⁴⁾

The serum in which the cancer cells were placed included a virus that could knock out the immune system, thus enhancing the strength of the already powerful cancer cells. This material -- scraped from the kidneys of sick monkeys -- was, in fact, the AIDS virus.⁽⁷⁵⁾

The serum in which the cancer cells were placed included a virus that could knock out the immune system, thus enhancing the strength of the already powerful cancer cells. This material -- scraped from the kidneys of sick monkeys -- was, in fact, a precursor to the AIDS virus.⁽⁷⁶⁾

The serum in which the cancer cells were placed included a virus that could knock out the immune system, thus enhancing the strength of the already powerful cancer cells. This material -- scraped from the kidneys of sick monkeys -- was, in fact, Simian Virus 40 (SV-40), unrelated to the AIDS virus.⁽⁷⁷⁾

Judyth knows first-hand "what really happened" during Oswald's alleged trip to Clinton, Louisiana, because she was there.⁽⁷⁸⁾

Judyth knows only second-hand what happened in Clinton, because she wasn't there.⁽⁷⁹⁾

Oswald, Dave Ferrie, and Clay Shaw were in Clinton, Louisiana, on (probably) August 23, 1963.⁽⁸⁰⁾

Oswald, Dave Ferrie, and Clay Shaw were in Clinton, Louisiana, on August 29, 1963. The date is easily determined because it was the same day Martin Luther King, Jr., led his famous march on Washington, D.C.⁽⁸¹⁾

Oswald, Dave Ferrie, and Clay Shaw were in Clinton, Louisiana, awaiting the arrival of a prisoner from Angola Penitentiary. The prisoner would be taken to the mental hospital in Jackson and serve as a "guinea pig" for deadly injections.⁽⁸²⁾

There may have been more than one "guinea pig" brought from Angola.⁽⁸³⁾

There were several "guinea pigs" brought from Angola. These were unwitting "volunteers," which Judyth protested to Dr. Ochsner.⁽⁸⁴⁾

There was actually a whole convoy of unwitting "guinea pigs" brought from Angola.⁽⁸⁵⁾

There was a convoy, all right, but only a single "guinea pig" in that convoy -- and he was not an unwitting subject.⁽⁸⁶⁾

Judyth and Oswald had no idea any prisoners would be used as unwitting "guinea pigs," and therefore bore no responsibility for any prisoners who were murdered in this fashion.⁽⁸⁷⁾

Judyth and Oswald knew full well that prisoners would be used as unwitting "guinea pigs," and were heartsick over the plan.⁽⁸⁸⁾

When Oswald applied for his Mexican tourist visa in 1963, he listed his religion as "Catholic," because Judyth and Oswald intended to later get married in Mexico as Catholics, with the aid of a corrupt priest.⁽⁸⁹⁾

When Oswald applied for his Mexican tourist visa in 1963, he listed his religion as "Catholic," because, while he was an atheist, listing his religion as "atheist" "would have looked commie-suspicious"; so, as his friends Judyth Baker and David Ferrie were Catholics, he listed his religion as "Catholic." Simple as that.⁽⁹⁰⁾

Oswald knew in advance about the assassination and, in an attempt to infiltrate and stop it, walked with eyes wide open into the "patsy" role.⁽⁹¹⁾

Oswald did not know he was slated to be the "patsy."⁽⁹²⁾

Judyth was informed point blank by Alton Ochsner, prior to Oswald's trip to Mexico City, that both she and Oswald were expendable. She and Oswald knew precisely what this meant.⁽⁹³⁾

When Oswald couldn't get in touch with his CIA handler in Mexico City, he realized that he was expendable. He returned from Mexico City very down about this.⁽⁹⁴⁾

Oswald did not realize he was expendable until after his arrest on November 22, 1963.⁽⁹⁵⁾

Had Oswald escaped Dallas alive, he and Judyth planned to meet at a fine hotel in Cancun, Mexico, and get married. (It was subsequently pointed out by David Lifton and Robert Chapman that Cancun was an uninhabited jungle in 1963; the resort city was conceived years later.)⁽⁹⁶⁾

Judyth never said that she and Oswald planned to meet in a fine hotel in Cancun! This is a malicious fabrication by David Lifton.⁽⁹⁷⁾

Judyth never said that she and Oswald planned to meet in a fine hotel in Cancun! This is a malicious fabrication by David Lifton and John McAdams.⁽⁹⁸⁾

Judyth never said that she and Oswald planned to meet in a fine hotel in Cancun! This is a malicious fabrication by Dave Reitzes.⁽⁹⁹⁾

Judyth never said that she and Oswald planned to meet in a fine hotel in Cancun! This was erroneously inserted into her manuscript by co-author Howard Platzman.⁽¹⁰⁰⁾

No, it wasn't.⁽¹⁰¹⁾

Judyth never said that she and Oswald planned to meet in a fine hotel in Cancun! This was erroneously inserted into her manuscript by her former agent, Peter Cox.⁽¹⁰²⁾

No, it wasn't.⁽¹⁰³⁾

Okay, Judyth said it after all.⁽¹⁰⁴⁾

But she didn't mean it. She only meant Cancun as a rough geographical indicator of where the planned meeting-place actually had been.⁽¹⁰⁵⁾

What she meant was that she and Oswald planned to meet in a fine hotel in the rustic village of Kankun, Mexico.⁽¹⁰⁶⁾

Except maybe "fine hotel" was a joke on Oswald's part.⁽¹⁰⁷⁾

Yes, "fine hotel" was definitely a joke on Oswald's part.⁽¹⁰⁸⁾

Nevertheless, she and Oswald might have ended up staying in a fine hotel just the same.⁽¹⁰⁹⁾

Judyth and Oswald actually planned to meet in Chichen Itza, Mexico -- 125 miles from present-day Cancun.⁽¹¹⁰⁾

Judyth and Oswald actually planned to meet in Merida, Mexico -- 200 miles from present-day Cancun.⁽¹¹¹⁾

Judyth and Oswald actually planned to meet in Belize, Mexico -- 350 miles from present-day Cancun. (Note: There was no Belize in 1963; it was called British Honduras until years later.)⁽¹¹²⁾

Judyth and Oswald actually planned to meet in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico -- well over a thousand miles from present-day Cancun.⁽¹¹³⁾

Judyth and Oswald actually planned to marry in the Cayman Islands of the Caribbean; Cancun was just a stopover.⁽¹¹⁴⁾

Judyth and Oswald actually planned to marry in Mexico. Exploration of ancient Mayan ruins and a visit to a large city in the Yucatan were additional possible plans. After marriage, their final destination was probably going to be the Cayman Islands.⁽¹¹⁵⁾

On November 22, 1963, Judyth and a number of her co-workers set up chairs and watched the assassination of John F. Kennedy on television. (Note: There was no live broadcast coverage of the assassination.)⁽¹¹⁶⁾

Judyth and her co-workers absolutely did not watch the assassination of John F. Kennedy on television.⁽¹¹⁷⁾

Oswald's friend George De Mohrenschildt knew about the assassination ahead of time, and had agreed to help take care of Oswald's wife and children afterwards.⁽¹¹⁸⁾

George De Mohrenschildt had nothing to do with the assassination, and Judyth never said he did.⁽¹¹⁹⁾

Oswald knew William Robert "Tosh" Plumlee. Plumlee and Oswald were part of an "abort team" attempting to stop JFK's assassination.⁽¹²⁰⁾

Oswald may not have known Tosh Plumlee, but Dave Ferrie did, and Ferrie told Judyth that Oswald and Plumlee were part of an "abort team."⁽¹²¹⁾

No one told Judyth about Tosh Plumlee; she was merely speculating when she said that Oswald and Plumlee were part of an "abort team."⁽¹²²⁾

Judyth Vary Baker and Lee Harvey Oswald worked together for the CIA in an anti-Castro project which included delivery of live biological weapons into Cuba, one of them aimed to kill Castro. Not only was Oswald an innocent man, he was framed in Dallas. Judyth can prove every word of this.⁽¹²³⁾

Judyth has no evidence for any of these claims. She has no evidence regarding anything related to the tragic death of President John F. Kennedy. She has only her word.⁽¹²⁴⁾

1. Howard Platzman, alt.assassination.jfk post, September 22, 2002. In a newsgroup post of July 6, 2006, Martin Shackelford denied the accuracy of this statement: "Reitzes cites Howard as describing me as Judyth's 'lead researcher.' I attempted to looked [sic] up Howard's cited e-mail [sic] of September 22, 2002 in the Google archive, but Google found NO postings by Howard for that month to alt.assassination.jfk[.] This may be an error, but it makes it difficult to check the context--and Reitzes doesn't quote the e-mail [sic], but offers his own paraphrase of it. I have never been Judyth's 'lead researcher' in any sense connected with the writing of her book." Judyth Vary Baker, Lee Harvey Oswald: The True Story of the Accused Assassin of President John F. Kennedy By His Lover (Victoria, British Columbia: Trafford Publishing, 2006.)

Platzman's actual words were: "And, let's be clear: Martin is not a co-author; he is our lead researcher, if you will." Click here to read the message Martin can't find at Google's website.

2. Judyth Vary Baker, biographical blurb posted at Manatee High School alumni website. "Lee Oswald and I worked together for the CIA in an anti-Castro project which included delivery of live biological weapons into Cuba, one of them aimed to kill Castro." Judyth Vary Baker, e-mail to Dave Reitzes, October 6, 2000: "I knew important people, and in indianapolis [sic] got conscripted into the CIA though [I] was just a minor." Judyth Vary Baker, e-mail to Dave Reitzes, October 7, 2000: ". . . [Dr. Canute] Michaelson gave my name to the CIA as one of the bright brains in the country, and from that time on, I had access to equipment, funds, you name it, as well as special training involving doctors who got trained at Oak Ridge. . . . In short--and i [sic] can fill in many details--I had gone through projects starting in indianapolis [sic] with my being, apparently, conscripted into service of the CIA. I sa[y] apparently because i [sic] was a minor, and my father may have signed papers for me. I signed a lot of them, but I did not even bother to read them." Related sources: Judyth Vary Baker, e-mail to Dave Reitzes, October 11, 2000: "I claimed connections with Oak Ridge and the CIA. They found documents from Oak Ridge--and presence of a CIA agent at the training sessions --which only recently have been released." Judyth Vary Baker, e-mail to Dave Reitzes and others, November 16, 2000: "Not that I hadn;t [sic] bona fide ties with CIA. I did . . ." See also Judyth Vary Baker with Howard Platzman, Ph.D, "Deadly Alliance: Outline of the Conspiracy." Judyth has stated numerous times that she has evidence to support all she says. For example: Judyth Vary Baker, biographical blurb posted at Manatee High School alumni website: "I really don't expect you to believe any of this without documentation and proof. Don't be concerned: I’ve got the proof. . . . I have my defenders and I've been able to prove everything I’m saying." Judyth Vary Baker, Internet forum post, May 7, 2004: ". . . WHEN ONE HAS BEEN TRAINED AS A SCIENTIST, AND THEY HAVE WRITTEN AND REVIEWED AND READ MANY PAPERS, GENERALLY THEY ARE AWARE THAT IF THEY MAKE A STATEMENT, THERE HAD BETTER BE BACK-UP. SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT TRAINED IN THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD MAY NOT REALIZE THIS RESPONSIBILITY. I TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO PROVIDE EVIDENCE OR BACK-UP FOR MY STATEMENTS SERIOUSLY. MU [sic] HAVING BEEN TRAINED IN THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD MEANS THAT I AM PARTICULARLY SENSITIVE TO THE ISSUE OF PROOF AND DOCUMENTATION." Judyth Vary Baker, JFKresearch.com post, November 2, 2002: ". . . I can prove every word i [sic] am writing here--- i [sic] can assure you that what we were doing was trying to create a biological weapon to get castro [sic] inn [sic] what would seem to be a natural death."

3. Judyth Vary Baker, JFKresearch.com post, November 14, 2002 (5:59 AM): "I am VERY upset that jack [sic] White has been posting a message to my high school classmates saying my story is 'bizarre' and asking their opinion, including the erroneous statement that I claimed to be a CIA agent--I NEVER EVER CLAIMED SUCH A THING." Judyth Vary Baker, JFKresearch.com post, November 12, 2002: ". . . YOU SENT AN EMAIL MESSAGE . . . STATING THAT I SAID I WAS A CIA AGENT. THAT IS SOMETHING I HAVE N- E- V- E- R SAID!!!!" Judyth Vary Baker, JFKresearch.com post, November 14, 2002 (6:43 AM): "I was introduced to people I suspected were working for the CIA. I was never, myself, 'recruited' to my knowledge. I did sign loyalty oaths---three of them." Judyth Vary Baker, JFKresearch.com post, November 14, 2002 (7:56 AM): "When somebody first suggested i [sic] was CIA connected, I was shocked, it had not been that way in my experience. lee [sic] never said so in so many words." Judyth Vary Baker, JFKresearch.com post, November 15, 2002: "Was it a CIA project? I am not certain even of that, i [sic] assume it because CIA people I now know were involved." Martin Shackelford, alt.assassination.jfk post, July 9, 2003: "There has never been a claim that she was hired 'by the CIA.' You repeat this claim twice, totally without foundation. You also falsely suggest that Judyth claims the cancer project was a direct CIA project." Martin Shackelford, alt.assassination.jfk post, October 28, 2001: "There is no claim that Judyth was a CIA employee." Martin Shackelford, alt.assassination.jfk post, December 17, 2000: "You keep assuming CIA employment is claimed. On what basis?" In a JFKresearch.com post of November 2, 2002, Judyth describes herself as "an untraceable asset." Judyth Vary Baker, JFKresearch.com post, November 20, 2002: "Please, I have been told I was a CIA asset, that my time and labor was used by the CIA. To me, that is working for the CIA, but not as a member of the CIA, and some work I did before New oleans [sic] was also under the table. I will be happy to modify the terminology if it is manifestly misleading people, never my intention." Judyth Vary Baker, Internet forum post, October 9, 2004: "I was used by Dr. Alton Ochsner in his get-Castro project. Was I, thereby, working for the CIA? As an asset, I suppose, but unwittingly. I was aware of CIA interest in all the anti-Castro activities going on in New Orleans. The city was a hotbed of CIA activity, too, and to contend that Ochsner had no connections whatsoever with the CIA at this time, when he was making almost weekly trips to Washington, D.C., was unthinkable to me. How much was personal effort and how much sponsored by the CIA, I do not know, but the relationships between Ochsner and anti-Castro government efforts was real." In response to a preliminary draft of this article, Judyth writes: "Mr. Reitzes has created a very large, and therefore impressive-looking, but also very hollow, collection of ‘inconsistencies’ and ‘objections’ which he has tediously gathered from hundreds of pages of private, confidential emails and other stolen or purloined materials. Many were sent to Mr. Reitzes after he promised never, ever to make them public. So much for Mr. Reitzes as an honorable man. He has created 51 footnotes that frequently repeat themselves, but their common theme is that I in some way have been inconsistent. I have replied to this compendium of word tonnage, for the record, explaining that every inconsistency except ONE of these 51 exists only in Mr. Reitzes’ imagination." "He seems obsessed with destroying my character, my witness, and my good name, though he never met me, never so much as spoke to me once on the phone, and at no time ever indicated that he was not an honest and trustworthy person whose word was gold.. We all now know the truth. The reason I wished to keep these emails confidential was to protect evidence and witnesses still being found, and because this material was to be presented in my book, yet to be published." "A great deal of speculation by me has been labeled as if it were my declared testimony. This is dishonest of Mr. Reitzes. I assume that, having lied to me that he would keep my information confidential, I should not be surprised that he might not be trusted to report it in correct context, either. . . . Yes, the work was FOR the CIA, through the auspices of Dr. Alton Ochsner. Was I myself 'CIA'? No. William Gaudet, I notice, wrote pamphlets used by the CIA. [John] McAdams contends Gaudet was not CIA. Clay Shaw gave information to the CIA after business trips. McAdams and Reitzes contend Clay Shaw was not CIA. Dave Ferrie worked with Sergio Arcacha Smith. Once again, Reitzes swears [sic] Dave Ferrie wasn’t CIA. . . . A conscription is a draft (dictionary definition): a. The process or method of selecting one or more individuals from a group, as for a service or dutyI [sic] was selected from a group of superior science students by persons associated with the CIA and the military, at Indianapolis, including contacts with persons at Oak Ridge and Walter Reed Institute, which I can prove with documents. I was never a member of the CIA, but was used 'for a service or duty' as is made clear by the definition. I was naïve, though, and didn’t understand what was going on. . . . [Dr. Canute] Michaelson was the first, but not the last, person associated with the CIA who was interested in my talents as a young scientist. Along with Col. Philip V. Doyle, who was the head of the PSSC Physics program throughout the State of Florida, he made sure I had early contacts with Oak Ridge, which led to mentoring by several doctors who had been trained by Oak Ridge. Michaelson encouraged an entire new science building to be built, with equipment, etc. not just for me but also for several other bright students he’d met at Manatee High School. All kinds of doors opened wide after that for any equipment or help/guidance I needed. . . . Today, the CIA openly contacts student winners of the international science fairs. For example, in 2004: 'After earning honors at the ExxonMobil [sic] Texas Science and Engineering Fair in April, seven Texas middle school students have advanced to the finals in the Discovery Channel Young Scientist Challenge (DCYSC). ... Seven ExxonMobil [sic] Texas Science and Engineering Fair Winners Named Finalists in the 4th Annual Discovery Channel ... They will work with the CIA, study forensics with the Washington, D ...[ellipses as in original]' I had similar opportunities and met CIA representatives in 1960 at Indianapolis, at the International Science and Engineering Fair held there that year. It just so happened that Indianapolis was a hotbed of rightwing activity. It’s where the John Birch Society had just been founded, for example. GOOD researchers will look into this more deeply and see exactly what I mean with these email statements, which McAdams and Reitzes have managed to try to turn into something sinister. . . . Having TIES and connections with the CIA and BEING CIA are two different matters. . . . The ‘typos’ are because I was writing PERSONAL AND CONFIDENTIAL EMAILS to Mr. Reitzes. They were never meant for public viewing. I indeed can back up my statements, and have done so in private and on the internet. For example, I have a letter from Walter Reed Institute offering me additional supplies and chemicals and indicating that I was sent chemicals worth, at the time, $60 (over $450 in today’s funds)… [ellipsis as in original] however, the prices of these chemicals have since risen much faster than inflation and would be worth in the thousands today. These chemicals, moreover, were sophisticated and unavailable to the outside world. Even today, try to get your hands on 2, alpha-methyl-dihydrotestosterone propionate!" "Note this paper published in 1964:1: Cancer. 1964 Aug;17:1073-8. (begin QUOTE) Related Articles.... [ellipsis as in original] HORMONAL THERAPY IN ADVANCED BREAST CANCER. 3. EFFECT OF 6-BETA-DIBROMOMETHYLENE TESTOSTERONE PROPIONATE COMPARED WITH THAT OF 2-ALPHA-METHYL DIHYDROTESTOSTERONE PROPIONATE ON CLINICAL COURSE AND METABOLISM OF SELECTED SERUM ELECTROLYTES.VOLK H, FOLEY CJ, SANFILIPPO LJ, ESCHER GC.PMID: 14202595 T=(END QUOTE)" "[T]he title of one of my cancer research projects included 2MDHTP, which is the acronym for the chemical I wrote out above. I was seventeen years old and working with these exotic chemicals in my high school laboratory. Ask yourself: how did I manage to get my hands on such chemicals? . . . Jack White said I claimed to be a CIA agent! An agent! GEESH! . . . I repeat: I was never recruited to be a CIA AGENT. That I was conscripted into service to be used by the CIA, I eventually understood, but not when it happened. It was only with hindsight that I realized it. I signed a loyalty oath in Indianapolis, and two others: one at Roswell Park, (required of all Hospital Medical Seminar participants at that time) and one at the University of Florida (required of all students at that time). . . . Lee never said I was CIA connected. He said he was. He said Ochsner was. Only when I finally understood what these people were doing with me, which was long after the fact, did I realize what their connections meant, and that, at Indianapolis, for example, they weren’t just nice military officers and nice scientists working for the government who were interested in my career and offering to guide me (which indeed they did)." "They were also, in some cases, connected with the CIA, and wanted to make sure I was guided in the right direction. They did ask me to sign a loyalty oath in Indianapolis. I even understood that in some way it had to be connected with the CIA, but I was star-struck by the personalities I met and didn’t see beyond to the agencies and organizations they represented. Only recently did I come to understand what kind of handling I received. This came as a shock to me because of my naiveté. At the ages of sixteen/seventeen, I might have been an outstanding science student – and I was – but I was easily led to do exactly as I was told." "And I did what I was told, by ‘patriots’concerned [sic] about Russia, Sputnik, and the Soviet threat, which included castro aiming nuclear-armed warheads at my home state. I ended up being guided to learn how to create the most deadly cancers. I considered it my patriotic duty to comply. And I was good at what I did. At people skills -- not so good. I was a kid. . . . At no time did Ochsner say the get-Castro plot was CIA directed. But Lee Oswald said it was, and Dave Ferrie and Dr. Sherman were deeply worried by Dr. Ochsner’s motives and connections, and believed the CIA was behind it. I was just a cog in this machine. There were others who would have taken my place if I hadn’t been there. In fact, originally, I came two weeks early and was put in a position originally intended for someone else. We might even conjecture that Michael R. [Michael James Riconosciuto] -- another young cancer research prodigy--was supposed to have been placed in that position." "He has indicated that he saw some of the cancer research reports I wrote which were in Guy Banister’s office before they were sent out of state. As for myself being an untraceable asset, that’s true. It was what made me attractive to Ochsner in the project, once I was made aware of the clandestine side of the project." (Judyth Vary Baker, JFK Lancer Research Forum post, October 13, 2004.) (Author's note: Michael Riconosciuto is a convicted drug dealer who, among many other things, claims to have been a CIA agent, to have met personally with Osama Bin Laden, and to have attended the military autopsy of a life form from outer space.) Martin Shackelford, alt.assassination.jfk post, August 5, 2004: "Dave, once again you compare your interpretations in order to find a contradiction that isn't really there. In 1 and 2, she indicates she was 'apparently' conscripted into the service of the CIA, and also that she wasn't a CIA agent or employee--no contradiction at all there." Martin Shackelford, alt.assassination.jfk post, August 5, 2004: "Although I'm sure you can come up with an out-of-context quote from somewhere, Judyth's account has never identified her as a CIA employee, but as someone involved with a CIA-sponsored project." Martin Shackelford, alt.assassination.jfk post, August 14, 2004: ". . . [Y]ou seem to conveniently forget that I've been in close contact with [Judyth] since May of 1999, and I KNOW what she did and didn't say over this period of years--I don't need to run to her to ask these things?"

4. Judyth Vary Baker, quoted in an alt.conspiracy.jfk post of Howard Platzman, November 15, 2003: "THROUGH A SERIES OF EVENTS INVOLVING KNOWING DR. SHERMAN, I EVENTUALLY MET LEE HARVEY OSWALD . . ."

5. Judyth Vary Baker with Howard Platzman, Ph.D, "Deadly Alliance: Outline of the Conspiracy": "When Lee was ordered to move to New Orleans in April 1963, he met Judyth by accident (or maybe not) at the new post office." Judyth Vary Baker, JFK Lancer Research Forum post, October 13, 2004: "[In reference to the previous quotation] That’s exactly right."

6. Judyth Vary Baker, biographical blurb posted at Manatee High School alumni website: "I spoke crude conversational Russian by 1963, when I was introduced in New Orleans to Lee Harvey Oswald."

7. Judyth Vary Baker with Howard Platzman, Ph.D, "Deadly Alliance: Outline of the Conspiracy": "When Lee was ordered to move to New Orleans in April 1963, he met Judyth by accident (or maybe not) at the new post office." Judyth Vary Baker, JFK Lancer Research Forum post, October 13, 2004: "[In reference to the previous quotation] That’s exactly right."

8. Judyth Vary Baker with Howard Platzman, Ph.D, "Deadly Alliance: Outline of the Conspiracy": "When Lee was ordered to move to New Orleans in April 1963, he met Judyth by accident (or maybe not) at the new post office." In an e-mail of November 16, 2000, to Dave Reitzes and others, Judyth explains, "I npow [sic] suspect Lee was sent there to check on me b y [sic] ochsner [sic], but I never dreamed of it at the time!" In a statement posted by Wim Dankbaar to JFKresearch.com, November 7, 2002, Judyth states: "I now believe Lee was sent to check me out because I'd arrived two weeks early on invitation from Dr. Ochsner (though i [sic] did check into the 'Y' as he had asked me to)--school got out quicker than in New orleans [sic] because we were on the trimester schedule (I didn't want to face parents and friends because I'd had a recent miscarriage, which is why Robert asked me to marry him, so we could get birth control pills). I now believe that Ochsner sent Lee to check me out, see if I was okay, etc. because he would be able to recognize me (I looked strikingly like [h]is own wife). He never told me this, nor did Ochsner bring it up, but it is the only way i [sic] can account for the fact that Lee and I met April 26, a day after he had arrived in New Orleans, at this brand new post office." Judyth Vary Baker, Internet forum post, September 27, 2004: "I came two weeks earlier than I was supposed to, to New Orleans, having been offered another summer of research, this time under Dr. Mary Sherman in Ochsner´s Foundation Clinic. Both Ochsner and Sherman were out of town, but I was mistaken for the person who was going to be sent to help Dave Ferrie with the clandestine side of that project. Lee Osweald [sic] either ran into me accidentally, or, now that I have hindsight, Dave Ferrie was asked to check on me, by Ochsner, when I arrived early (it was a dangerous city and I was alone). Ferrie concluded I was the promised helper and told me elements of the project before Ochsner or Sherman could stop him." Judyth Vary Baker, e-mail to Dave Reitzes, October 11, 2000: "He [Oswald] inadvertently spilled some things out when was told to make contact with me, because he was not told much about me, just to check on if i [sic] was ok. I had come to N.O. two weeks before i [sic] was scheduled to do so (I was rebellious, ochsner [sic] hated that). I had wanted to see if I could do anything on my own, they were running my life A-Z and i [sic] was getting sick of it. Anyway, lee [sic] was sent, I think (he never admitted it) to check up on me when it was discovered i [sic] used the trailways [sic] ticket two weeks early." Martin Shackelford, alt.assassination.jfk post, August 5, 2004: ". . . [S]he met Oswald by accident, as far as she knows, but has suspected it may have been pre-arranged. Again, no real contradicton [sic]." Judyth Vary Baker, Internet forum post, October 9, 2004: "I originally believed our meeting was accidental, but it might not have been, since Ochsner may have been concerned about my having arrived two weeks early, and the fact that I was a lone female in a rough town. Dr. Sherman was out of town, so I could not be helped by her. Since I resembled Marina, Lee might have been sent to meet me to help babysit me, for all I know. Or maybe not. Apparently Mr. Reitzes does not allow me to make any speculations. Why?" Judyth Vary Baker, JFK Lancer Research Forum post, October 13, 2004: "By the time I wrote this ['I spoke crude conversational Russian by 1963, when I was introduced in New Orleans to Lee Harvey Oswald.'], I had decided that Lee was probably deliberately sent to meet me, at the post office, though he never at any time indicated this to me. . . . I have no idea what bothers Mr. Reitzes about any of the statements above."

9. Judyth Vary Baker, e-mail to unknown recipients, November 13, 2000, forwarded to John McAdams and posted by McAdams at alt.assassination.jfk, December 31, 2000: "I have a great deal of proof that Lee Oswald warked [sic] for the CIA and was involved, with me, in a get-Castro project." Judyth Vary Baker, e-mail CC'ed to Dave Reitzes, November 16, 2000: "In the end, history will have to accept that Lee Oswald was working for the CIA while in New Orleans, whatever else history wants to say about him. I provide sufficient evidence and inside knowledge to prove it." Judyth Vary Baker with Howard Platzman, Ph.D, "Deadly Alliance: Outline of the Conspiracy": "Lee Oswald, a CIA operative, was groomed to look like a disaffected American for eventual use in Cuba. This was the primary reason for his fake defection to Russia. . . . Upon his return from Russia, the CIA arranged for Lee to take a job at a Dallas graphic arts firm, Jaggers-Chiles-Stovall, that was involved in highly classified work for the government, including the creation of detailed maps of Cuba. His CIA assignment involved identifying the location of safe houses." "Lee was not yet part of the CIA-Mafia plot in a concrete way, but would be linked to it in the spring of 1963. . . . Lee was ordered to move to New Orleans in April 1963 . . . At Reily's, Lee interviewed Cuban women, refugees, that were cycled thru the factory. Winning their trust, he would extract from them the names of safe contacts they had left behind in Cuba." "Both Reily and Monaghan were aware of Lee’s mission . . . Lee and Ferrie taught combat techniques to Cuban exiles at the CIA-established training camp at Lake Pontchartrain . . ." "Before the Silence Came: Lee's Last Telephone Calls," draft chapter from Judyth's manuscript, posted by Robert Vernon at alt.assassination.jfk, August 30, 2004: ". . . Lee never used his CIA [or] FBI money for private matters . . ." Judyth Vary Baker, JFK Lancer Research Forum post, October 13, 2004: "Lee never said I was CIA connected. He said he was. He said Ochsner was. Only when I finally understood what these people were doing with me, which was long after the fact, did I realize what their connections meant, and that, at Indianapolis, for example, they weren’t just nice military officers and nice scientists working for the government who were interested in my career and offering to guide me (which indeed they did)." "They were also, in some cases, connected with the CIA, and wanted to make sure I was guided in the right direction. . . . At no time did Ochsner say the get-Castro plot was CIA directed. But Lee Oswald said it was, and Dave Ferrie and Dr. Sherman were deeply worried by Dr. Ochsner’s motives and connections, and believed the CIA was behind it. . . . The typos in the emails are, of course, because Mr. Reitzes is printing our private, confidential emails he promised to keep private and confidential. I would have spell checked them otherwise. Was Lee working for the CIA in New Orleans? He said he was." Judyth Vary Baker, Lee Harvey Oswald: The True Story of the Accused Assassin of President John F. Kennedy by His Lover (Victoria, British Columbia: Trafford Publishing), p. 365:

"All right," I asked him, "what agency do you really work for, and who is your most important handler?"

"All right, you little spy," he said, smiling, "You've won. Here's the answer: I'm loaned to the CIA," he said, and must sometimes help the FBI, but for who my main handler is, not even God knows the answer to that. Certainly I don't."

Lee said he called him "Mr. B," because the first name given was Benson. Then another time, he slipped and said it was Bishop.

10. Judyth Vary Baker, defunct website at Switchboard.com: "When I knew Lee, he was an FBI informant. He also worked closely with persons associated or working for the CIA, though I don't know from which agency Lee himself had been 'borrowed,' for he told me he had been borrowed (---by the CIA?) and was not allowed to tell me what agency he came from." Judyth Vary Baker, JFKresearch.com post, November 14, 2002 (7:56 AM): "When somebody first suggested i [sic] was CIA connected, I was shocked, it had not been that way in my experience. lee [sic] never said so in so many words." Martin Shackelford, alt.assassination.jfk post, August 5, 2004: ". . . Oswald was doing things for the CIA, but she isn't sure if he was actually a CIA employee. Again, no real contradiction."

11. Judyth Vary Baker, biographical blurb posted at Manatee High School alumni website. "Lee Oswald and I worked together for the CIA in an anti-Castro project which included delivery of live biological weapons into Cuba, one of them aimed to kill Castro." Judyth Vary Baker, Lee Harvey Oswald: The True Story of the Accused Assassin of President John F. Kennedy by His Lover (Victoria, British Columbia: Trafford Publishing), p. 57: "To the very end, Lee was not allowed to tell me what agency was responsible for his training -- he would only say that he was 'on loan' to the CIA from another agency." Judyth Vary Baker, Internet forum post, October 9, 2004: "Lee told me he had been borrowed by the CIA from another agency, which he refused to name. He had volunteered to come to New Orleans to work on several undercover projects, but they were not assassination-of-Castro projects. His concerns were anti-Castro projects, especially identifying pro-Castroites and to establish firm pro-Castro credentials for himself. He was also supposed to help make a training film, being very interested in photography and having some experience in that field. He became involved in my anti-Castro associated activities, which focused on a get-Castro assassination plot, in order to spend more time with me. There is no doubt in my mind that Dr. Ochsner, the force behind the get-Castro project in New Orleans, had CIA connections." Judyth Vary Baker, Lee Harvey Oswald: The True Story of the Accused Assassin of President John F. Kennedy by His Lover (Victoria, British Columbia: Trafford Publishing), p. 365:

"All right," I asked him, "what agency do you really work for, and who is your most important handler?"

"All right, you little spy," he said, smiling, "You've won. Here's the answer: I'm loaned to the CIA," he said, and must sometimes help the FBI, but for who my main handler is, not even God knows the answer to that. Certainly I don't."

Lee said he called him "Mr. B," because the first name given was Benson. Then another time, he slipped and said it was Bishop.

12. Judyth Vary Baker, defunct website at Switchboard.com: "When I knew Lee, he was an FBI informant. He also worked closely with persons associated or working for the CIA, though I don't know from which agency Lee himself had been 'borrowed,' for he told me he had been borrowed (---by the CIA?) and was not allowed to tell me what agency he came from."

13. Judyth Vary Baker with Howard Platzman, Ph.D, "Deadly Alliance: Outline of the Conspiracy," alternate draft posted to alt.assassination.jfk by Ihateliars1@yahoo.com, October 29, 2001: "There is a (poor) picture of her in the Warren Report standing next to Lee while he was leafleting. There is a resemblance between the girl in the photo and contemporaneous photos of Judyth. The dress pattern in the picture matches close-up photos of a dress Judyth wore in other photos in her possession." Judyth Vary Baker with Howard Platzman, Ph.D, "Deadly Alliance," alternate draft provided to Robert Vernon, posted by Vernon at alt.assassination.jfk, August 30, 2004: "Judyth is 90% certain that Warren Commission exhibit Pizzo 453-B, a photo of the scene, includes her standing near Lee. The picture is blurry, but there is a resemblance between the girl in the photo and contemporaneous photos of Judyth. The dress pattern in the picture matches close-up photos of a dress Judyth wore in other photos in her possession. The original film from which the still was made was recently sent by TV station WDSU, on which it aired, for archiving at the University of New Orleans. The last time we checked, it was still unarchived, in one of many unmarked boxes." Judyth Vary Baker, Internet forum post, October 9, 2004: "No, not standing next to Lee, but in the same general area as Lee - iF [sic] that person is me. The face is too blurry to be certain. The pavement sloped upward there, as I have proven with other photos, but I cannot prove this woman is me. Though have never been 100% certain the woman was me, I remember talking to the two girls shown in the footage under consideration. In any case, Lee simply happens to be nearby, and there is little, if any, interaction with the woman, beyond a smile in her direction as he approaches with flyers. I do not remember being filmed, but was warned that filming was taking place, and to leave at once, a warning which Lee gave to me. The fact is that Lee is coming closer to the woman in the footage under consideration, and it is possible that he was about to tell me to leave. The incident happened too many years ago for me to be more specific in these claims, as I have no proof that this woman is actually me, beyond my speculation that it may have been me, as I had two dresses similar or exactly the same as the dress worn by the lady in question, and have photos of one of those dresses showing its close similarity to the dress in the footage. . . . There are none now [no photos of Oswald and Judyth] in existence." Judyth Vary Baker, JFK Lancer Research Forum post, October 13, 2004: "The film has now conveniently been ‘borrowed’ and is ‘unavailable,’ the last we heard, as has also occurred to some other evidence I seek, which is one reason I don’t put more evidence on the internet. Related evidence -- or witnesses -- can sometimes vanish, if they become sought after. This was the main reason I tried to keep these emails private and confidential. The jury is still out on whether or not the footage is of me. I can’t tell. Mr. Reitzes acts as if I have no right to speculate."

14. Judyth Vary Baker, Internet forum post, May 5, 2004: ". . . I did manage to save enough to prove who I was and our affair. Not that there are photos of Lee and me together, none of that. We were both married and we knew we were in a clandestine operation." Martin Shackelford, alt.assassination.jfk post, August 29, 2004 (regarding Judyth's statement of May 5, 2004, quoted above): "She has always said this, Dave." Martin Shackelford, alt.assassination.jfk post, August 14, 2004: ". . . [Y]ou seem to conveniently forget that I've been in close contact with [Judyth] since May of 1999, and I KNOW what she did and didn't say over this period of years--I don't need to run to her to ask these things?" Judyth Vary Baker, Internet forum post, October 9, 2004: "No, not standing next to Lee, but in the same general area as Lee - iF [sic] that person is me. The face is too blurry to be certain. The pavement sloped upward there, as I have proven with other photos, but I cannot prove this woman is me. Though have never been 100% certain the woman was me, I remember talking to the two girls shown in the footage under consideration. In any case, Lee simply happens to be nearby, and there is little, if any, interaction with the woman, beyond a smile in her direction as he approaches with flyers. I do not remember being filmed, but was warned that filming was taking place, and to leave at once, a warning which Lee gave to me. The fact is that Lee is coming closer to the woman in the footage under consideration, and it is possible that he was about to tell me to leave. The incident happened too many years ago for me to be more specific in these claims, as I have no proof that this woman is actually me, beyond my speculation that it may have been me, as I had two dresses similar or exactly the same as the dress worn by the lady in question, and have photos of one of those dresses showing its close similarity to the dress in the footage. . . . There are none now [no photos of Oswald and Judyth] in existence." Judyth Vary Baker, JFK Lancer Research Forum post, October 13, 2004: "What has this to do with that blurry film footage that we can’t decide about? Nor did we have control of film footage taken by TV cameras." "I was talking, of course, about the fact that Lee and I did not consciously allow any photos of us to be taken. In one instance, the photo was immediately destroyed (a Polaroid). Reitzes is a nit-picker who makes mountains out of anthills."

15. Judyth Vary Baker, e-mail to Martin Shackelford, July 11, 1999, resent by Judyth to Shackelford and a number of others on October 20, 2004: "If this Pizzo pix [sic] turns out to be somebody else, there is still another picture out there, unless it has been destroyed, which got me into trouble at Wm. B. Reily."

16. Judyth Vary Baker, e-mail CC'ed to Dave Reitzes, November 23, 2000: "It was arranged to have Robert kept offshore most of the summer, with the oil company that accepted his job application for employment. So Robert was out of the way.. [sic] And I was a young piece of putty in Ochsner's hands." Judyth Vary Baker, e-mail to Dave Reitzes, October 6, 2000: "My life was destroyed when i [sic] was asked to go to New Orleans from gainesville, [sic] FL [in the] spring of 1963. I met lee [sic], but in rebellion eloped with a man i [sic] thought I loved. they [sic] fixed that--sent him offshore almost entire summer, and out of the way, and continued to us eme [sic]. i [sic] was used, used, and so was Lee." Judyth Vary Baker, e-mail to Dave Reitzes, October 7, 2000: "We [Judyth and Oswald] were first like brother and sister, both of us having marital obligations elsewhere. But Robert had been shipped offshore (on purpose, to keep the new husband out of the way) . . ." Judyth Vary Baker, e-mail to Dave Reitzes, October 11, 2000: "Instead of placing me in the lab, since I had resolved to elope and marry Robert A. baker [sic] . . . they made sure he was sent offshpore [sic] almost the entire summer, and i [sic] saw almost nothing of him. And because we could arrange for a check for me at Reily's, that would make it impossible for my 'husband' such as he was to have any knowledge of the anti-Castro group I was working with . . ."

17. Judyth Vary Baker, quoted in an alt.conspiracy.jfk post of Howard Platzman, November 15, 2003: "ROBERT A. BAKER WAS AN ENGLISH MAJOR WHO WANTED TO BE A WRITER. HE WAS AT THIS TIME SWITCHING HIS STUDIES INTO THE FIELD OF GEOLOGY. BAKER WOULD BE ABSENT MOST OF THE SUMMER BECAUSE HE, HIMSELF REQUESTED FIELD EXPERIENCE -- LEAVING HIS YOUNG BRIDE ALONE IN NEW ORLEANS . . ." Judyth Vary Baker, e-mail to Dave Reitzes and others, November 16, 2000: "Anyway, i [sic] convinced Robert it was HIS idea to go to New Orleans [sic] (he forgot that i [sic] told him I had to leave town and was planning to go to N.O.-- he did not want me to drop out of his life like that). So he began applying for jobs in N.O." Judyth Vary Baker, Internet forum post, September 27, 2004: "I, in fact, was married 'on the fly' to a guy who promptly vanished, taking a job out in the Gulf of Mexico deliberately, as his letter to potential employers asked that he be given FIELD WORK!"

18. Judyth Vary Baker, e-mail to unknown recipients, date unknown, posted to alt.conspiracy.jfk by Ihateliars1@yahoo.com, November 8, 2001: "What we [Judyth and the conspirators] DID want was for Robert to get a job that would keep him out of town...as I had many hours of work to do away from the apartment.....there was some connection between Evangeline Seismic (where Robert had applied for a job) and Dixie Dynamite (that supplied E. S. and also had Schlumberger connections at Houma), and though I did not realize it at the time, it now seems that Robert's out-of-town job was possibly arranged, since Ochsner, et al, found out about Robert within days of my meeting Lee."

19. Judyth Vary Baker, e-mail CC'ed to Dave Reitzes, November 3, 2000: "I was hurt, too. Robert was shipped out into the Gulf--but WHY didn't he try [to] get an in-town job, if he loved me? If he had eveyr [sic] asked me 'what did you do today?' when he WAS home--i [sic] would have told him. But as weeks went by and he never asked, I became angry at his not caring, and I also felt he wanted the bigger paycheck more than having a chance for us to be together." Judyth Vary Baker, e-mail to Dave Reitzes and one other recipient, November 7, 2000: "Where was my husband? . . . Robert allowed ochsner's [sic] oil friends to make sure he was kept offsore [sic] as long as possible, and it hurt my feelings again that I, a newlywed wife, had a husband who didn;t [sic] try to get an on-shore job to be with me." Judyth Vary Baker, Internet forum post, October 9, 2004: "So far as I am aware, this was the best explanation for Robert's being hired by an oil company and being kept offshore so many weeks, mostly incommunicado. BUT - I recently read the back of a letter showing that Robert himself requested an out-of-town field work job, even though he knew I would be left alone in New Orleans if he accepted such a position. It was hard for me, for a long time, to believe Robert would deliberately request a job out of town as a newlywed, and I did try to make an excuse or two, that perhaps somebody such as Ochsner, who had friends in the oil industry such as Clint Murchison, arranged to keep Robert and me separated from each other. Dr. Ochsner definitely was upset that I was suddenly and unexpectedly married, and hoped I would get a divorce ASAP. So I did wonder at various times, until my recent review of the back of one of Robert's letters, if there had been some kind of planned attempt to separate us. Obviously, not! Mr. Reitzes does not give me the opportunity to speculate about this, but tries to make my concerns look inconsistent. Why does he do this?"

20. Martin Shackelford, alt.assassination.jfk post, July 3, 2003: "Jack Ruby--[Judyth] met [him] once, [he was] introduced as 'Sparky,' . . ." Martin Shackelford, alt.assassination.jfk post, July 11, 2003: "Jack Ruby--[Judyth] met [him] once, [he was] introduced as 'Sparky,' [Judyth] didn't realize until 1999 that 'Sparky' was Jack Ruby." Martin Shackelford, alt.assassination.jfk post, August 14, 2004: ". . . [Y]ou seem to conveniently forget that I've been in close contact with [Judyth] since May of 1999, and I KNOW what she did and didn't say over this period of years--I don't need to run to her to ask these things?" Judyth Vary Baker, Internet forum post, October 9, 2004: "I met Jack Ruby once, personally, for a significant period of time. I also saw Jack Ruby with Carlos Marcello and others, at a later date, at the 500 Club, and was in the same group as Jack Ruby while walking toward Clay Shaw's residence. However, there was no real interaction between Jack Ruby and me, so I do not count it as a true 'meeting.' Some people do count it as a 'meeting' because he did notice my presence, but I do not." Judyth Vary Baker, JFK Lancer Research Forum post, October 13, 2004: "But I thought his name was Sparky Rubenstein. There is NO inconsistency here if it is understood I did not know that the two names were for the same man. Only in Mr. Reitzes’mind [sic] is there an inconsistency, because he didn’t bother to learn more about why I did not know 'Sparky' was the same man as 'Jack.' Why in the world would I ever make up such an odd thing? It makes my story harder to believe. Yet it is the truth. I really did not know they were the same person. I refused to look at ANY newspaper photos, etc.[,] after Lee was shot before my eyes on TV. I could not see the face of the man who shot Lee. And I avoided ever looking again at any of it, it made me physically ill. Thus, I never learned that the two men were the same."

21. Judyth Vary Baker with Howard Platzman, Ph.D, "Deadly Alliance: Outline of the Conspiracy": "While Judyth was in Lee's company, she met Jack Ruby twice, in May and June of 1963, once at Ferrie's apartment and once at The 500 Club, a Marcello hang-out." Martin Shackelford, alt.assassination.jfk post, August 5, 2004: ". . . [I]t doesn't much matter whether she met Ruby once or twice--citing me as a contradiction to Judyth is silly--I made an error in the post. You do understand that people can make errors writing late at night, reading dozens of idiot newsgroup posts, don't you?" Martin Shackelford, alt.assassination.jfk post, August 14, 2004: ". . . [Y]ou seem to conveniently forget that I've been in close contact with [Judyth] since May of 1999, and I KNOW what she did and didn't say over this period of years--I don't need to run to her to ask these things?"

22. Judyth Vary Baker with Howard Platzman, Ph.D, "Deadly Alliance: Outline of the Conspiracy": "Lee came to believe his CIA handler, 'Mr. B.,' was actually Phillips." Judyth claims that in his final conversation with her, he instructed her to be sure to remember the name, "David Atlee Phillips." See Judyth Vary Baker, "Before the Silence Came: Lee's Last Telephone Calls," circulated draft of chapter for Deadly Alliance. Judyth Vary Baker, e-mail to unknown recipients, date unknown, posted to alt.conspiracy.jfk by Ihateliars1@yahoo.com, November 8, 2001: "We (Lee and I ) by November 20, 1963, believed Phillips to be the man who Lee met in Texas at beginning of September, and I now believe Veciana [Antonio Veciana Blanch] was possibly the man who came up to Phillips, Lee said as if by a prearranged signal, so I wonder if Veciana has memory of that, if this is the same man." Judyth Vary Baker, Internet forum post, June 12, 2004: ". . . [M]istakes can happen. Phillips allowed Lee to be seen [by Antonio Veciana Blanch]. Lee reported some additional details of this meeting to me." Judyth Vary Baker, e-mail forwarded to Dave Reitzes with Judyth's permission, November 6, 2000: "I didn't 'know' for sure [that Phillips was 'Bishop'], I speculated, based on Lee's having met 'Bishop' in Dallas, and all we previously knew. He errs in thinking i [sic] was sure about his real name back then. Since i [sic] never met the man, I could not be certain. My surety is NOW,in [sic] the PRESENT, having seen pictures of the man that were shown to me and knowing who Phillips was." Judyth Vary Baker, Internet forum post, October 9, 2004: "ALL THE STATEMENTS [relating to Oswald's CIA handler, David Phillips, etc.] are intended, I suppose, by Reitzes to show confusion, and indeed, they should show confusion, for Lee and I had no firm idea of the real name of Lee's handler. Is this some kind of crime?" Judyth Vary Baker, JFK Lancer Research Forum post, October 13, 2004: "THE REITZES OBSESSION CONTINUES....WITH EMPHASIS ON PHILLIPS...BISHOP...BENDER....AD NAUSEUM.... [ellipses as in original] . . . CITATION ‘A’ ---FOR ALL OF THE INSTANCES BELOW...and Reitzes repeats them OVER and OVER...remember this: All of these citations by Reitzes came about because they reflected the fact that Lee was never certain about the real name of his handler. In fact, if Lee HAD known the name of his handler, I am told that would have been unusual. Veciana, for example, did not know ‘Phillips’ as his handler, but, rather, ‘Bishop.’" "The fake name problem is what generated all our anxiety. Reitzes acts as if this is inconsistency. It isn’t. It proves lee [sic] did not know the name of his handler, which was a typical position, I’m told. That Lee aggressively tried to find out the name of his handler is what all these various citations reflect. If anything, it helps prove that what I’m saying about Lee is legitimate. . . . OKAY, HERE WE GO, WITH A LONG, LONG LIST OF STUFF ABOUT PHILLIPS/BISHOP/BENDER, ETC., ETC..... [ellipsis as in original]"

23. Judyth Vary Baker, e-mail forwarded to Dave Reitzes with Judyth's permission, November 12, 2000: "While Lee had reason to believe the man he met in Dallas, introduced to him as 'Bishop' was actually 'Phillips' because he never met 'Phillips' it was always speculation, though based on strong suspicions." Judyth Vary Baker with Howard Platzman, Ph.D, "Deadly Alliance: Outline of the Conspiracy": "[Oswald's handler] Mr. B may not have been Phillips. Another CIA figure, Frank Bender, one alias of Gerry Droller, was known inside the agency as Mr. B." Martin Shackelford, alt.assassination.jfk post, August 5, 2004: ". . . 'Mr. B' may or may not have been Phillips--again no real contradiction." Judyth's response: Judyth Vary Baker, JFK Lancer Research Forum post, October 13, 2004: "THE REITZES OBSESSION CONTINUES....WITH EMPHASIS ON PHILLIPS...BISHOP...BENDER....AD NAUSEUM.... [ellipses as in original] . . . CITATION ‘A’ ---FOR ALL OF THE INSTANCES BELOW...and Reitzes repeats them OVER and OVER...remember this: All of these citations by Reitzes came about because they reflected the fact that Lee was never certain about the real name of his handler. In fact, if Lee HAD known the name of his handler, I am told that would have been unusual. Veciana, for example, did not know ‘Phillips’ as his handler, but, rather, ‘Bishop.’" "The fake name problem is what generated all our anxiety. Reitzes acts as if this is inconsistency. It isn’t. It proves lee [sic] did not know the name of his handler, which was a typical position, I’m told. That Lee aggressively tried to find out the name of his handler is what all these various citations reflect. If anything, it helps prove that what I’m saying about Lee is legitimate. . . . OKAY, HERE WE GO, WITH A LONG, LONG LIST OF STUFF ABOUT PHILLIPS/BISHOP/BENDER, ETC., ETC..... [ellipsis as in original]"

24. David Lifton, alt.assassination.jfk post, November 6, 2000, citing his telephone interview with Judyth Vary Baker, March 4, 2000. (Lifton: "How did he [Oswald] know his [Phillips's] name, by the way?" Judyth: "Oh, he met him.") "During the same 24 hour period," Lifton writes, "Judyth spoke with a friend of mine, and made the same statement. She was cross examined vigorously by my friend, and Judyth insisted that was the case." Judyth's response: Judyth Vary Baker, JFK Lancer Research Forum post, October 13, 2004: "THE REITZES OBSESSION CONTINUES....WITH EMPHASIS ON PHILLIPS...BISHOP...BENDER....AD NAUSEUM.... [ellipses as in original] . . . CITATION ‘A’ ---FOR ALL OF THE INSTANCES BELOW...and Reitzes repeats them OVER and OVER...remember this: All of these citations by Reitzes came about because they reflected the fact that Lee was never certain about the real name of his handler. In fact, if Lee HAD known the name of his handler, I am told that would have been unusual. Veciana, for example, did not know ‘Phillips’ as his handler, but, rather, ‘Bishop.’" "The fake name problem is what generated all our anxiety. Reitzes acts as if this is inconsistency. It isn’t. It proves lee [sic] did not know the name of his handler, which was a typical position, I’m told. That Lee aggressively tried to find out the name of his handler is what all these various citations reflect. If anything, it helps prove that what I’m saying about Lee is legitimate. . . . OKAY, HERE WE GO, WITH A LONG, LONG LIST OF STUFF ABOUT PHILLIPS/BISHOP/BENDER, ETC., ETC..... [ellipsis as in original]"

25. Judyth Vary Baker, e-mail forwarded to Dave Reitzes with Judyth's permission, November 12, 2000: "While Lee had reason to believe the man he met in Dallas, introduced to him as 'Bishop' was actually 'Phillips' because he never met 'Phillips' it was always speculation, though based on strong suspicions." Judyth's response: Judyth Vary Baker, JFK Lancer Research Forum post, October 13, 2004: "THE REITZES OBSESSION CONTINUES....WITH EMPHASIS ON PHILLIPS...BISHOP...BENDER....AD NAUSEUM.... [ellipses as in original] . . . CITATION ‘A’ ---FOR ALL OF THE INSTANCES BELOW...and Reitzes repeats them OVER and OVER...remember this: All of these citations by Reitzes came about because they reflected the fact that Lee was never certain about the real name of his handler. In fact, if Lee HAD known the name of his handler, I am told that would have been unusual. Veciana, for example, did not know ‘Phillips’ as his handler, but, rather, ‘Bishop.’" "The fake name problem is what generated all our anxiety. Reitzes acts as if this is inconsistency. It isn’t. It proves lee [sic] did not know the name of his handler, which was a typical position, I’m told. That Lee aggressively tried to find out the name of his handler is what all these various citations reflect. If anything, it helps prove that what I’m saying about Lee is legitimate. . . . OKAY, HERE WE GO, WITH A LONG, LONG LIST OF STUFF ABOUT PHILLIPS/BISHOP/BENDER, ETC., ETC..... [ellipsis as in original]"

26. Judyth Vary Baker, e-mail forwarded to Dave Reitzes with Judyth's permission, November 12, 2000: "While Lee had reason to believe the man he met in Dallas, introduced to him as 'Bishop' was actually 'Phillips' because he never met 'Phillips' it was always speculation, though based on strong suspicions." Judyth's response: Judyth Vary Baker, JFK Lancer Research Forum post, October 13, 2004: "THE REITZES OBSESSION CONTINUES....WITH EMPHASIS ON PHILLIPS...BISHOP...BENDER....AD NAUSEUM.... [ellipses as in original] . . . CITATION ‘A’ ---FOR ALL OF THE INSTANCES BELOW...and Reitzes repeats them OVER and OVER...remember this: All of these citations by Reitzes came about because they reflected the fact that Lee was never certain about the real name of his handler. In fact, if Lee HAD known the name of his handler, I am told that would have been unusual. Veciana, for example, did not know ‘Phillips’ as his handler, but, rather, ‘Bishop.’" "The fake name problem is what generated all our anxiety. Reitzes acts as if this is inconsistency. It isn’t. It proves lee [sic] did not know the name of his handler, which was a typical position, I’m told. That Lee aggressively tried to find out the name of his handler is what all these various citations reflect. If anything, it helps prove that what I’m saying about Lee is legitimate. . . . OKAY, HERE WE GO, WITH A LONG, LONG LIST OF STUFF ABOUT PHILLIPS/BISHOP/BENDER, ETC., ETC..... [ellipsis as in original]"

27. Judyth Vary Baker, message posted to JFKresearch.com forum by Wim Dankbaar, November 7, 2002: "However, he met with a 'Mr. B' in Texas whom we both believed to be Phillips." Judyth's response: Judyth Vary Baker, JFK Lancer Research Forum post, October 13, 2004: "THE REITZES OBSESSION CONTINUES....WITH EMPHASIS ON PHILLIPS...BISHOP...BENDER....AD NAUSEUM.... [ellipses as in original] . . . CITATION ‘A’ ---FOR ALL OF THE INSTANCES BELOW...and Reitzes repeats them OVER and OVER...remember this: All of these citations by Reitzes came about because they reflected the fact that Lee was never certain about the real name of his handler. In fact, if Lee HAD known the name of his handler, I am told that would have been unusual. Veciana, for example, did not know ‘Phillips’ as his handler, but, rather, ‘Bishop.’" "The fake name problem is what generated all our anxiety. Reitzes acts as if this is inconsistency. It isn’t. It proves lee [sic] did not know the name of his handler, which was a typical position, I’m told. That Lee aggressively tried to find out the name of his handler is what all these various citations reflect. If anything, it helps prove that what I’m saying about Lee is legitimate. . . . OKAY, HERE WE GO, WITH A LONG, LONG LIST OF STUFF ABOUT PHILLIPS/BISHOP/BENDER, ETC., ETC..... [ellipsis as in original]"

28. Judyth Vary Baker, e-mail forwarded to Dave Reitzes with Judyth's permission, November 6, 2000: ". . . Lee and I speculated and concluded that Bishop and Phillips were possibly the same person, Lee seemed certaoin [sic] of it at the end." Judyth's response: Judyth Vary Baker, JFK Lancer Research Forum post, October 13, 2004: "THE REITZES OBSESSION CONTINUES....WITH EMPHASIS ON PHILLIPS...BISHOP...BENDER....AD NAUSEUM.... [ellipses as in original] . . . CITATION ‘A’ ---FOR ALL OF THE INSTANCES BELOW...and Reitzes repeats them OVER and OVER...remember this: All of these citations by Reitzes came about because they reflected the fact that Lee was never certain about the real name of his handler. In fact, if Lee HAD known the name of his handler, I am told that would have been unusual. Veciana, for example, did not know ‘Phillips’ as his handler, but, rather, ‘Bishop.’" "The fake name problem is what generated all our anxiety. Reitzes acts as if this is inconsistency. It isn’t. It proves lee [sic] did not know the name of his handler, which was a typical position, I’m told. That Lee aggressively tried to find out the name of his handler is what all these various citations reflect. If anything, it helps prove that what I’m saying about Lee is legitimate. . . . OKAY, HERE WE GO, WITH A LONG, LONG LIST OF STUFF ABOUT PHILLIPS/BISHOP/BENDER, ETC., ETC..... [ellipsis as in original]"

29. Judyth Vary Baker, e-mail forwarded to Dave Reitzes with Judyth's permission, November 6, 2000: "As you know, Lee told me he met a 'Bishop' in Dallas. While he did not say in an equation that 'Bishop' and 'Phillips' were the same person, I did understand he meant that both those persons were his handlers. The last time lee [sic] spoke to me, he implied they were possibly the same person." Judyth's response: Judyth Vary Baker, JFK Lancer Research Forum post, October 13, 2004: "THE REITZES OBSESSION CONTINUES....WITH EMPHASIS ON PHILLIPS...BISHOP...BENDER....AD NAUSEUM.... [ellipses as in original] . . . CITATION ‘A’ ---FOR ALL OF THE INSTANCES BELOW...and Reitzes repeats them OVER and OVER...remember this: All of these citations by Reitzes came about because they reflected the fact that Lee was never certain about the real name of his handler. In fact, if Lee HAD known the name of his handler, I am told that would have been unusual. Veciana, for example, did not know ‘Phillips’ as his handler, but, rather, ‘Bishop.’" "The fake name problem is what generated all our anxiety. Reitzes acts as if this is inconsistency. It isn’t. It proves lee [sic] did not know the name of his handler, which was a typical position, I’m told. That Lee aggressively tried to find out the name of his handler is what all these various citations reflect. If anything, it helps prove that what I’m saying about Lee is legitimate. . . . OKAY, HERE WE GO, WITH A LONG, LONG LIST OF STUFF ABOUT PHILLIPS/BISHOP/BENDER, ETC., ETC..... [ellipsis as in original]"

30. Judyth Vary Baker, e-mail forwarded to Dave Reitzes with Judyth's permission, November 6, 2000: ". . . Lee and I speculated and concluded that Bishop and Phillips were possibly the same person, Lee seemed certaoin [sic] of it at the end." Judyth's response: Judyth Vary Baker, JFK Lancer Research Forum post, October 13, 2004: "THE REITZES OBSESSION CONTINUES....WITH EMPHASIS ON PHILLIPS...BISHOP...BENDER....AD NAUSEUM.... [ellipses as in original] . . . CITATION ‘A’ ---FOR ALL OF THE INSTANCES BELOW...and Reitzes repeats them OVER and OVER...remember this: All of these citations by Reitzes came about because they reflected the fact that Lee was never certain about the real name of his handler. In fact, if Lee HAD known the name of his handler, I am told that would have been unusual. Veciana, for example, did not know ‘Phillips’ as his handler, but, rather, ‘Bishop.’" "The fake name problem is what generated all our anxiety. Reitzes acts as if this is inconsistency. It isn’t. It proves lee [sic] did not know the name of his handler, which was a typical position, I’m told. That Lee aggressively tried to find out the name of his handler is what all these various citations reflect. If anything, it helps prove that what I’m saying about Lee is legitimate. . . . OKAY, HERE WE GO, WITH A LONG, LONG LIST OF STUFF ABOUT PHILLIPS/BISHOP/BENDER, ETC., ETC..... [ellipsis as in original]"

31. Judyth Vary Baker, e-mail forwarded to Dave Reitzes with Judyth's permission, November 6, 2000: "At the end, Lee said to remember Phillips' name. I do not believe he even said Bishop and Phillips were the same people, EVEN THEN." Judyth's response: Judyth Vary Baker, JFK Lancer Research Forum post, October 13, 2004: "THE REITZES OBSESSION CONTINUES....WITH EMPHASIS ON PHILLIPS...BISHOP...BENDER....AD NAUSEUM.... [ellipses as in original] . . . CITATION ‘A’ ---FOR ALL OF THE INSTANCES BELOW...and Reitzes repeats them OVER and OVER...remember this: All of these citations by Reitzes came about because they reflected the fact that Lee was never certain about the real name of his handler. In fact, if Lee HAD known the name of his handler, I am told that would have been unusual. Veciana, for example, did not know ‘Phillips’ as his handler, but, rather, ‘Bishop.’" "The fake name problem is what generated all our anxiety. Reitzes acts as if this is inconsistency. It isn’t. It proves lee [sic] did not know the name of his handler, which was a typical position, I’m told. That Lee aggressively tried to find out the name of his handler is what all these various citations reflect. If anything, it helps prove that what I’m saying about Lee is legitimate. . . . OKAY, HERE WE GO, WITH A LONG, LONG LIST OF STUFF ABOUT PHILLIPS/BISHOP/BENDER, ETC., ETC..... [ellipsis as in original]"

32. Judyth Vary Baker with Howard Platzman, Ph.D, "Deadly Alliance: Outline of the Conspiracy": "At a meeting arranged by Ochsner’s group, INCA, held to prepare for a radio interview of Lee, someone accidentally uttered the name 'David Atlee Phillips.' Lee came to believe his CIA handler, 'Mr. B.,' was actually Phillips. Judyth waited in the car as the meeting took place at Reily's." The Men Who Killed Kennedy: The Love Affair, 2003 documentary, A & E Home Video: Oswald's "main CIA contact" was "a mysterious 'Mr. B.'" Judyth Vary Baker, JFKresearch.com post, November 14, 2002 (7:56 AM): Oswald "said he wasn;t [sic] sure about David Atlee Phillips being the person who was responsible, but HE HAD OBTAINED THAT NAME. It had been heard once before in New Orleans at a meeting, the man's actual name, but no understanding of the role. And there were other names we thought were the same man, known to Lee as 'Mr. B.' Frank bender [sic] could have filled that name as well . . ." Judyth's response: Judyth Vary Baker, JFK Lancer Research Forum post, October 13, 2004: "THE REITZES OBSESSION CONTINUES....WITH EMPHASIS ON PHILLIPS...BISHOP...BENDER....AD NAUSEUM.... [ellipses as in original] . . . CITATION ‘A’ ---FOR ALL OF THE INSTANCES BELOW...and Reitzes repeats them OVER and OVER...remember this: All of these citations by Reitzes came about because they reflected the fact that Lee was never certain about the real name of his handler. In fact, if Lee HAD known the name of his handler, I am told that would have been unusual. Veciana, for example, did not know ‘Phillips’ as his handler, but, rather, ‘Bishop.’" "The fake name problem is what generated all our anxiety. Reitzes acts as if this is inconsistency. It isn’t. It proves lee [sic] did not know the name of his handler, which was a typical position, I’m told. That Lee aggressively tried to find out the name of his handler is what all these various citations reflect. If anything, it helps prove that what I’m saying about Lee is legitimate. . . . OKAY, HERE WE GO, WITH A LONG, LONG LIST OF STUFF ABOUT PHILLIPS/BISHOP/BENDER, ETC., ETC..... [ellipsis as in original]"

33. Judyth Vary Baker, e-mail forwarded to Dave Reitzes with Judyth's permission, November 12, 2000: "While Lee had reason to believe the man he met in Dallas, introduced to him as 'Bishop' was actually 'Phillips' because he never met 'Phillips' it was always speculation, though based on strong suspicions." (Compare this reference to "Bishop" to Judyth Vary Baker, message posted to JFKresearch.com forum by Wim Dankbaar, November 7, 2002: "However, he met with a 'Mr. B' in Texas whom we both believed to be Phillips.") Judyth's initial response: Judyth Vary Baker, JFK Lancer Research Forum post, October 13, 2004: "THE REITZES OBSESSION CONTINUES....WITH EMPHASIS ON PHILLIPS...BISHOP...BENDER....AD NAUSEUM.... [ellipses as in original] . . . CITATION ‘A’ ---FOR ALL OF THE INSTANCES BELOW...and Reitzes repeats them OVER and OVER...remember this: All of these citations by Reitzes came about because they reflected the fact that Lee was never certain about the real name of his handler. In fact, if Lee HAD known the name of his handler, I am told that would have been unusual. Veciana, for example, did not know ‘Phillips’ as his handler, but, rather, ‘Bishop.’" "The fake name problem is what generated all our anxiety. Reitzes acts as if this is inconsistency. It isn’t. It proves lee [sic] did not know the name of his handler, which was a typical position, I’m told. That Lee aggressively tried to find out the name of his handler is what all these various citations reflect. If anything, it helps prove that what I’m saying about Lee is legitimate. . . . OKAY, HERE WE GO, WITH A LONG, LONG LIST OF STUFF ABOUT PHILLIPS/BISHOP/BENDER, ETC., ETC..... [ellipsis as in original]" Judyth Vary Baker, JFK Lancer Research Forum post, October 13, 2004: "ALSO, PLEASE NOTE: Mr. Reitzes does not mention here that I had just found a reference in TIME MAGAZINE that FRANK BENDER was called 'Mr. B' during the Bay of Pigs era and was THE big name involved with the anti-Castroites at that time. WHY doesn’t he be fair and show that I said this because I thought I had at last found out who 'Mr. B' was? Later, additional evidence that Phillips was 'Mr. B' came to the fore, and I changed my mind." "The reference to TIME MAGAZINE is left out. WHY? Why did Mr. Reitzes fail to show the reason why I made this statement? Did he fail to do so because it would have shown I had a reason to make this statement that was logical and consistent with my trying to understand who Mr. B. really was?It [sic] was unethical of Mr. Reitzes to leave out the reason I made this comment."

34. Judyth Vary Baker, Lee Harvey Oswald: The True Story of the Accused Assassin of President John F. Kennedy by His Lover (Victoria, British Columbia: Trafford Publishing), p. 365:

"All right," I asked him, "what agency do you really work for, and who is your most important handler?"

"All right, you little spy," he said, smiling, "You've won. Here's the answer: I'm loaned to the CIA," he said, and must sometimes help the FBI, but for who my main handler is, not even God knows the answer to that. Certainly I don't."

Lee said he called him "Mr. B," because the first name given was Benson. Then another time, he slipped and said it was Bishop.

35. Judyth Vary Baker with Howard Platzman, Ph.D, "Deadly Alliance: Outline of the Conspiracy" (early draft posted by pseudonymous Judyth acquaintance "Shadow-It: to alt.conspiracy.jfk, August 20, 2006::"Mr. B was most likely Frank Bender, one alias of Gerry Droller, a CIA man posted to Mexico City at the same time as Phillips." Judyth Vary Baker with Howard Platzman, Ph.D, "Deadly Alliance: Outline of the Conspiracy": "[Oswald's handler] Mr. B may not have been Phillips. Another CIA figure, Frank Bender, one alias of Gerry Droller, was known inside the agency as Mr. B."

36. Judyth Vary Baker, message posted to JFKresearch.com forum by Wim Dankbaar, November 7, 2002: "However, he met with a 'Mr. B' in Texas whom we both believed to be Phillips." Judyth's response: Judyth Vary Baker, JFK Lancer Research Forum post, October 13, 2004: "THE REITZES OBSESSION CONTINUES....WITH EMPHASIS ON PHILLIPS...BISHOP...BENDER....AD NAUSEUM.... [ellipses as in original] . . . CITATION ‘A’ ---FOR ALL OF THE INSTANCES BELOW...and Reitzes repeats them OVER and OVER...remember this: All of these citations by Reitzes came about because they reflected the fact that Lee was never certain about the real name of his handler. In fact, if Lee HAD known the name of his handler, I am told that would have been unusual. Veciana, for example, did not know ‘Phillips’ as his handler, but, rather, ‘Bishop.’" "The fake name problem is what generated all our anxiety. Reitzes acts as if this is inconsistency. It isn’t. It proves lee [sic] did not know the name of his handler, which was a typical position, I’m told. That Lee aggressively tried to find out the name of his handler is what all these various citations reflect. If anything, it helps prove that what I’m saying about Lee is legitimate. . . . OKAY, HERE WE GO, WITH A LONG, LONG LIST OF STUFF ABOUT PHILLIPS/BISHOP/BENDER, ETC., ETC..... [ellipsis as in original]"

37. Judyth Vary Baker with Howard Platzman, Ph.D, "Deadly Alliance: Outline of the Conspiracy": "Mr. B may not have been Phillips. Another CIA figure, Frank Bender, one alias of Gerry Droller, was known inside the agency as Mr. B." Judyth's response: Judyth Vary Baker, JFK Lancer Research Forum post, October 13, 2004: "THE REITZES OBSESSION CONTINUES....WITH EMPHASIS ON PHILLIPS...BISHOP...BENDER....AD NAUSEUM.... [ellipses as in original] . . . CITATION ‘A’ ---FOR ALL OF THE INSTANCES BELOW...and Reitzes repeats them OVER and OVER...remember this: All of these citations by Reitzes came about because they reflected the fact that Lee was never certain about the real name of his handler. In fact, if Lee HAD known the name of his handler, I am told that would have been unusual. Veciana, for example, did not know ‘Phillips’ as his handler, but, rather, ‘Bishop.’" "The fake name problem is what generated all our anxiety. Reitzes acts as if this is inconsistency. It isn’t. It proves lee [sic] did not know the name of his handler, which was a typical position, I’m told. That Lee aggressively tried to find out the name of his handler is what all these various citations reflect. If anything, it helps prove that what I’m saying about Lee is legitimate. . . . OKAY, HERE WE GO, WITH A LONG, LONG LIST OF STUFF ABOUT PHILLIPS/BISHOP/BENDER, ETC., ETC..... [ellipsis as in original]"

38. Judyth Vary Baker with Howard Platzman, Ph.D, "Deadly Alliance: Outline of the Conspiracy" (early draft posted by pseudonymous Judyth acquaintance "Shadow-It: to alt.conspiracy.jfk, August 20, 2006::"Mr. B was most likely Frank Bender, one alias of Gerry Droller, a CIA man posted to Mexico City at the same time as Phillips." Judyth Vary Baker with Howard Platzman, Ph.D, "Deadly Alliance: Outline of the Conspiracy": "[Oswald's handler] Mr. B may not have been Phillips. Another CIA figure, Frank Bender, one alias of Gerry Droller, was known inside the agency as Mr. B."

39. Judyth Vary Baker, e-mail to unknown recipients, date unknown, posted to alt.assassination.jfk by Ihateliars1@yahoo.com, October 29, 2001: "He told me never forget that David Atlee Phillips was the man who we thought of as in the chess game, we thought he was 'Bishop' and also 'Mr. B.' But I now believe that 'Mr. B' was Bender as bpoth [sic] Phillips and bender [sic] worked together at exactly this time, and sometimes we were amazed that 'Mr. B' or 'Bishop' (yes, I know it sounds bad that we also heard the name 'Bishop') seemed to be in two places at once sometimes. Now I believe it was because both men gave us the impression that they were the same man." Judyth's response: Judyth Vary Baker, JFK Lancer Research Forum post, October 13, 2004: "THE REITZES OBSESSION CONTINUES....WITH EMPHASIS ON PHILLIPS...BISHOP...BENDER....AD NAUSEUM.... [ellipses as in original] . . . CITATION ‘A’ ---FOR ALL OF THE INSTANCES BELOW...and Reitzes repeats them OVER and OVER...remember this: All of these citations by Reitzes came about because they reflected the fact that Lee was never certain about the real name of his handler. In fact, if Lee HAD known the name of his handler, I am told that would have been unusual. Veciana, for example, did not know ‘Phillips’ as his handler, but, rather, ‘Bishop.’" "The fake name problem is what generated all our anxiety. Reitzes acts as if this is inconsistency. It isn’t. It proves lee [sic] did not know the name of his handler, which was a typical position, I’m told. That Lee aggressively tried to find out the name of his handler is what all these various citations reflect. If anything, it helps prove that what I’m saying about Lee is legitimate. . . . OKAY, HERE WE GO, WITH A LONG, LONG LIST OF STUFF ABOUT PHILLIPS/BISHOP/BENDER, ETC., ETC..... [ellipsis as in original]"

40. The Men Who Killed Kennedy: The Love Affair, 2003 documentary, A & E Home Video: Oswald's handler was "Mr. B, Mr. Bishop, or Benson or whatever, Benton," who Oswald also said was probably David Atlee Phillips. Judyth Vary Baker, Lee Harvey Oswald: The True Story of the Accused Assassin of President John F. Kennedy by His Lover (Victoria, British Columbia: Trafford Publishing), p. 365:

"All right," I asked him, "what agency do you really work for, and who is your most important handler?"

"All right, you little spy," he said, smiling, "You've won. Here's the answer: I'm loaned to the CIA," he said, and must sometimes help the FBI, but for who my main handler is, not even God knows the answer to that. Certainly I don't."

Lee said he called him "Mr. B," because the first name given was Benson. Then another time, he slipped and said it was Bishop.

41. Judyth Vary Baker, e-mail to Dave Reitzes and one other recipient, November 7, 2000: "For instance, Lee mentioned a 'Mr. B.' When we heard the name 'Bishop' we wondered if this was the 'Mr. B' who had been mentioned by Dave ferrie [sic] and by Carlos Quiroga and some other Cubans such as Sergio A." Judyth Vary Baker, e-mail forwarded to Dave Reitzes with Judyth's permission, November 12, 2000: "I was confused until almost the present by thinking that 'Mr. B' might be 'Bishop.' Now i [sic] believe that person to be Frank bender [sic]." Judyth Vary Baker, e-mail to unknown recipients, date unknown, posted to alt.conspiracy.jfk by Ihateliars1@yahoo.com, November 8, 2001: "Phillips, and/or Frank Bender: involved in that. I thought (and Lee, did, too, until the end) that they were the same man until I realized sometime recently that "Mr. B" and "Bishop" were not necessarily the same person."

42. The Men Who Killed Kennedy: The Love Affair, 2003 documentary, A & E Home Video: Oswald's handler was "Mr. B, Mr. Bishop, or Benson or whatever, Benton," who Oswald also said was probably David Atlee Phillips. Judyth Vary Baker, Internet forum post, June 12, 2004: "But Phillips was in town at least once, as 'Mr. Benson'or [sic] 'Mr. Benton.' I can't remember which anymore."

43. Judyth Vary Baker, Internet forum post, June 12, 2004: "But Phillips was in town at least once, as 'Mr. Benson'or [sic] 'Mr. Benton.' I can't remember which anymore."

44. The Men Who Killed Kennedy: The Love Affair, 2003 documentary, A & E Home Video: Oswald's handler was "Mr. B, Mr. Bishop, or Benson or whatever, Benton," who Oswald also said was probably David Atlee Phillips. Judyth has elsewhere stated that "Mr. B" could be another person altogether: Gerry Droller, a.k.a. Frank Bender. See for example: Judyth Vary Baker with Howard Platzman, Ph.D, "Deadly Alliance: Outline of the Conspiracy": "Mr. B may not have been Phillips. Another CIA figure, Frank Bender, one alias of Gerry Droller, was known inside the agency as Mr. B." Judyth Vary Baker, e-mail forwarded to Dave Reitzes with Judyth's permission,, November 12, 2000: "I was confused until almost the present by thinking that 'Mr. B' might be "Bishop." Now i [sic] believe that person to be Frank bender [sic]."

45. The Men Who Killed Kennedy: The Love Affair, 2003 documentary, A & E Home Video: Oswald's handler was "Mr. B, Mr. Bishop, or Benson or whatever, Benton," who Oswald also said was probably David Atlee Phillips.

46. Judyth Vary Baker, e-mail to unknown recipients, date unknown, posted to alt.assassination.jfk by Ihateliars1@yahoo.com, October 29, 2001: "He told me never forget that David Atlee Phillips was the man who we thought of as in the chess game, we thought he was Bishop' and also 'Mr. B.' But I now believe that 'Mr. B' was Bender as bpoth [sic] Phillips and bender [sic] worked together at exactly this time, and sometimes we were amazed that 'Mr. B' or 'Bishop' (yes, I know it sounds bad that we also heard the name 'Bishop') seemed to be in two places at once sometimes. Now I believe it was because both men gave us the impression that they were the same man." Judyth Vary Baker, e-mail to Dave Reitzes and one other recipient, November 7, 2000: "For instance, Lee mentioned a 'Mr. B.' When we heard the name 'Bishop' we wondered if this was the 'Mr. B' who had been mentioned by Dave ferrie [sic] and by Carlos Quiroga and some other Cubans such as Sergio A."

47. David Lifton, alt.assassination.jfk post, November 6, 2000, citing his telephone interview with Judyth Vary Baker, March 4, 2000: "But, listen, I'd overheard, we'd overheard, I'd overheard his name before, over at Reily's. They talked about a guy named Bishop, and [someone] said, 'That's Phillips,' and so I had an idea who that was."

48. Judyth Vary Baker with Howard Platzman, Ph.D, "Deadly Alliance: Outline of the Conspiracy": "At a meeting arranged by Ochsner’s group, INCA, held to prepare for a radio interview of Lee, someone accidentally uttered the name 'David Atlee Phillips.' Lee came to believe his CIA handler, 'Mr. B.,' was actually Phillips. Judyth waited in the car as the meeting took place at Reily's." Judyth Vary Baker, e-mail to Dave Reitzes and one other recipient, November 7, 2000: ". . , [I]t was lee [sic] who overheard the 'Phillips' name dropped after the "Bishop" name was dropped, but even then, we did not think they were the same man. Why? because [sic] the conversation lee [sic] overheard was speculation--it was brought up, not pinned down, and only was indeed a passing remark. . . . It isn;t [sic] just hearing a name fropped [sic] in a conference by INCA executives--LEE heard that and told me about it, when i [sic] say i [sic] overheard anything, i [sic] overheard a few things, but not exactly that. between [sic] both of us, Lee and I learned an amazing amt. of detail." Judyth Vary Baker, Internet forum post, October 9, 2004: "Lee Oswald heard the name 'Phillips' mentioned in the context of 'Bishop' during a meeting held on Reily premises. Lee told me when he returned to the car. I had heard the names at some point, but not in context with each other."

49. Harrison Edward Livingstone, The Radical Right and the Murder of John F. Kennedy: Stunning Evidence in the Assassination of the President (Victoria, British Columbia: Trafford Publishing), p. 153, quoting Judyth Vary Baker: "At another time, Oswald told Judyth that he wasn't sure who his handler or case officer was -- but he named 'Mr. Benson, Mr. Bishop, or David Atlee Phillips."

50. Judyth Vary Baker, JFK Lancer Research Forum post, October 13, 2004: "THE REITZES OBSESSION CONTINUES....WITH EMPHASIS ON PHILLIPS...BISHOP...BENDER....AD NAUSEUM.... [ellipses as in original] . . . CITATION ‘A’ ---FOR ALL OF THE INSTANCES BELOW...and Reitzes repeats them OVER and OVER...remember this: All of these citations by Reitzes came about because they reflected the fact that Lee was never certain about the real name of his handler. In fact, if Lee HAD known the name of his handler, I am told that would have been unusual. Veciana, for example, did not know ‘Phillips’ as his handler, but, rather, ‘Bishop.’" "The fake name problem is what generated all our anxiety. Reitzes acts as if this is inconsistency. It isn’t. It proves lee [sic] did not know the name of his handler, which was a typical position, I’m told. That Lee aggressively tried to find out the name of his handler is what all these various citations reflect. If anything, it helps prove that what I’m saying about Lee is legitimate. . . . OKAY, HERE WE GO, WITH A LONG, LONG LIST OF STUFF ABOUT PHILLIPS/BISHOP/BENDER, ETC., ETC..... [ellipsis as in original]"

51. Black Op Radio, Episode 171, May 13, 2004, Part 1: "Yes, I was introduced once to Guy Banister." Judyth Vary Baker, JFKresearch.com post, February 14, 2003 (responding to Rich DellaRosa): "I was introduced to Mr. Banister 9that [sic] is ONE N [sic], not two, Rich). his [sic] credentials were on the wall." Martin Shackelford, alt.assassination.jfk post, July 11, 2003: "Guy Banister--[Judyth] met him once, not introduced by name." Martin Shackelford, alt.assassination.jfk post, August 14, 2004: ". . . [Y]ou seem to conveniently forget that I've been in close contact with [Judyth] since May of 1999, and I KNOW what she did and didn't say over this period of years--I don't need to run to her to ask these things?" Judyth Vary Baker, Internet forum post, October 9, 2004: "I met Guy Banister on only one occasion, when I posed as Lee's wife and was introduced to him. I saw him later at some little distance from me on a second occasion where I know he saw me as well, in his building." Judyth Vary Baker, JFK Lancer Research Forum post, October 13, 2004: "CITATION ‘B’ IS TO BE USED FOR ALL THE SO-CALLED INCONSISTENCIES DAVE REITZES TRIES TO WEDGE OUT OF MY TESTIMONY, BELOW. ARE YOU AS BORED AS I AM WITH THIS? . . . I was introduced to Guy Banister by Lee, in Banister’s office, in the presence of two secretaries, while posing as Lee’s wife, Marina. On a second occasion, I was in Banister’s building and Banister acknowledged I was there, we caught each other’s eye but did not speak. I thus met him twice, but only was introduced to him once. (THIS IS CITATION ‘B’)"

52. Judyth Vary Baker, e-mail to Dave Reitzes, October 7, 2000: "I met Banister only twice." Martin Shackelford, alt.assassination.jfk post, August 5, 2004: "The Banister items . . . are also not contradictory--she met Banister twice, on one of those occasions she was introduced to him." Judyth Vary Baker, Internet forum post, October 9, 2004: "I met Guy Banister on only one occasion, when I posed as Lee's wife and was introduced to him. I saw him later at some little distance from me on a second occasion where I know he saw me as well, in his building." Judyth's response: Judyth Vary Baker, JFK Lancer Research Forum post, October 13, 2004: "CITATION ‘B’ IS TO BE USED FOR ALL THE SO-CALLED INCONSISTENCIES DAVE REITZES TRIES TO WEDGE OUT OF MY TESTIMONY, BELOW. ARE YOU AS BORED AS I AM WITH THIS? . . . I was introduced to Guy Banister by Lee, in Banister’s office, in the presence of two secretaries, while posing as Lee’s wife, Marina. On a second occasion, I was in Banister’s building and Banister acknowledged I was there, we caught each other’s eye but did not speak. I thus met him twice, but only was introduced to him once. (THIS IS CITATION ‘B’)"

53. Judyth Vary Baker with Howard Platzman, Ph.D, "Deadly Alliance: Outline of the Conspiracy": ". . . ex-FBI man, now-CIA operative, Guy Banister . . ."

54. Judyth Vary Baker, e-mail to Dave Reitzes, September 13, 2003: "Dave, I never said Banister had anything to do with the CIA." See also Martin Shackelford, alt.assassination.jfk post, August 5, 2004: "As for his [Banister's] CIA involvement, that remains uncertain among many people, not just Judyth. You've found one meaningless contradiction--congratulations." Judyth Vary Baker, Internet forum post, October 9, 2004: "Guy Banister had connections with the CIA. I have speculated, based on what I was told, that he was working in cooperation with the CIA and the FBI." Judyth Vary Baker, JFK Lancer Research Forum post, October 13, 2004: "In response to the quotes: Banister apparently cooperated with both agencies when it was worth it to him. I should have been more specific in the response, below, to Dave, when I said Banister had nothing to do with the CIA. I should have qualified that statement. The ‘to do’ had to do with his belonging to the agency as an agent. I didn’t make that clear, and thus, in this entire page, we finally come up with a single, real inconsistency, mainly because I meant Banister wasn’t an agent. But the sentence indicates he had nothing to do with CIA. That wasn’t so."

55. Judyth Vary Baker, Lee Harvey Oswald: The True Story of the Accused Assassin of President John F. Kennedy by His Lover (Victoria, British Columbia: Trafford Publishing), p. 95: Banister "had ties to HUAC and the CIA . . ." Judyth Vary Baker, Internet forum post, October 9, 2004: "Guy Banister had connections with the CIA. I have speculated, based on what I was told, that he was working in cooperation with the CIA and the FBI."

56. Judyth Vary Baker, Lee Harvey Oswald: The True Story of the Accused Assassin of President John F. Kennedy by His Lover (Victoria, British Columbia: Trafford Publishing), p. 96: "It took only moments for me to realize that these people [Guy Banister and others] really were engaged in several anti-Castro and anti-subversive projects that were sponsored by the government and/or the CIA."

57. Martin Shackelford, alt.assassination.jfk post, September 11, 2004: "Inventing imaginary contradictions again, I see, Dave. Judyth SAW Clay Shaw twice. On ONE of those occasions, she MET him. As Howard noted, she didn't KNOW him--just introduced once. I hope reality isn't too complicated and confusing for you, Dave." Phone: Howard Platzman, e-mail to Dave Reitzes, October 9, 2000: "It was in June or so of last year that I first saw Judyth's rambling text. She reports on a call from [a man using the name] Lambert to Reily's and she says, matter of factly, that it was [Clay] Shaw. . . . In another part of her text, she recalls accompanying Lee, Shaw, and Ferrie to the airport, where they (not including her) took an overnight trip to Canada." Hotel trysts: Judyth Vary Baker with Howard Platzman, Ph.D, "Deadly Alliance: Outline of the Conspiracy": "At the end of August, Shaw paid for the last of several hotel trysts for Judyth and Lee. According to Judyth, Shaw felt sorry for them." Judyth Vary Baker, Internet forum post, October 9, 2004: "I was introduced briefly to Clay Shaw once, and shook his hand. I later recognized him with others at The 500 Club, and Lee and I followed his group to his house, but did not enter there. Lee did know Clay Shaw. I do not consider this 'knowing' Clay Shaw. I was once introduced briefly to George W. Bush once, and shook his hand. I later recognized HIM at a Houston-area political meeting I covered as a reporter. That doesn't mean I know George W. Bush, even though we lived in the same city for almost two decades." Judyth Vary Baker, JFK Lancer Research Forum post, October 13, 2004: "I directly met Clay Shaw only once. I was also in the same group with him once, but did not speak to him. In conclusion, [I] did not know Clay Shaw personally."

58. Martin Shackelford, alt.assassination.jfk post, July 24, 2003: "The reference didn't relate to the flight. Someone pointed out a man to her as 'Lambert,' and she later saw the man again, identified as Shaw." On September 26, 2004, I posted a message to alt.assassination.jfk asking Martin to clarify whether Judyth met Shaw on either of these occasions. I repeated the question on September 28, 2004. As of October 18, 2004, Shackelford has not responded. Judyth Vary Baker, Internet forum post, October 9, 2004: "I was introduced briefly to Clay Shaw once, and shook his hand. I later recognized him with others at The 500 Club, and Lee and I followed his group to his house, but did not enter there. Lee did know Clay Shaw. I do not consider this 'knowing' Clay Shaw. I was once introduced briefly to George W. Bush once, and shook his hand. I later recognized HIM at a Houston-area political meeting I covered as a reporter. That doesn't mean I know George W. Bush, even though we lived in the same city for almost two decades." Judyth Vary Baker, JFK Lancer Research Forum post, October 13, 2004: "I directly met Clay Shaw only once. I was also in the same group with him once, but did not speak to him. In conclusion, [I] did not know Clay Shaw personally."

59. Martin Shackelford, alt.assassination.jfk post, July 11, 2003: "Clay Shaw--Judyth met him once. No biggie." Martin Shackelford, alt.assassination.jfk post, August 14, 2004: ". . . [Y]ou seem to conveniently forget that I've been in close contact with [Judyth] since May of 1999, and I KNOW what she did and didn't say over this period of years--I don't need to run to her to ask these things?" Judyth Vary Baker, JFK Lancer Research Forum post, October 13, 2004: "I directly met Clay Shaw only once. I was also in the same group with him once, but did not speak to him. In conclusion, [I] did not know Clay Shaw personally."

60. Howard Platzman, e-mail to Dave Reitzes, June 19, 2000: "My witness [Judyth] knew Ferrie, not Shaw." Martin Shackelford, alt.assassination.jfk post, September 11, 2004: "Inventing imaginary contradictions again, I see, Dave. Judyth SAW Clay Shaw twice. On ONE of those occasions, she MET him. As Howard noted, she didn't KNOW him--just introduced once. I hope reality isn't too complicated and confusing for you, Dave." Judyth Vary Baker, Internet forum post, October 9, 2004: "I was introduced briefly to Clay Shaw once, and shook his hand. I later recognized him with others at The 500 Club, and Lee and I followed his group to his house, but did not enter there. Lee did know Clay Shaw. I do not consider this 'knowing' Clay Shaw. I was once introduced briefly to George W. Bush once, and shook his hand. I later recognized HIM at a Houston-area political meeting I covered as a reporter. That doesn't mean I know George W. Bush, even though we lived in the same city for almost two decades." Judyth Vary Baker, JFK Lancer Research Forum post, October 13, 2004: "I directly met Clay Shaw only once. I was also in the same group with him once, but did not speak to him. In conclusion, [I] did not know Clay Shaw personally."

61. Met with Marcello: Judyth Vary Baker with Howard Platzman, Ph.D, "Deadly Alliance: Outline of the Conspiracy": "Judyth personally met other plotters, including Banister, Shaw, and Marcello . . ." Black Op Radio, Episode 171, May 13, 2004, Part 1: Judyth plays a portion of an audiotape recording with Anna Lewis Vincent, where Vincent describes a meeting between herself, her late husband David F. Lewis, Judyth, Oswald, Jack Ruby, and Marcello: "So we go to the 500 Club and we met there. There was me, Judy, David, Lee we met with, Carlos Marcellus [sic] and Jack Ruby." Judyth Vary Baker, e-mail to Dave Reitzes, November 6, 2000: "I was in the poor excuse for a library out at the brand new university there when everything was military world war II temporary buildings and quonset [sic] huts and stuff, and blazing sun outside. . . . This was the same day Marcello came by out there, on the brand new grassy area and new sidewalk area there, with mafia, who were visiting from Chicago, in a black limo (usually Marcello didn;t [sic] go that fancy, at least, not that summer). He had a woman in the car with them give Lee and me each a martini -- from the limo. We threw the drinks out but kept the little tray and the two glasses." Judyth informed one researcher via e-mail that Oswald drove her to Marcello's country estate in Jefferson Parish, known as Churchill Farms, on two occasions: Judyth Vary Baker, responses to questions e-mailed to her by rouser@core.com, posted by rouser@core.com to alt.assassination.jfk, November 27, 2003: "I have described another time Lee drove me-out to Marcello's Churchill Farms. There were two incidents of driving, not just one. I had to sit in the car out there, but so did a few other ladies." "That Little Thing": Judyth Vary Baker, e-mail to Dave Reitzes and others, November 22, 2000 (writing about herself in the third person): "If you have any witness out there who rememvers [sic] 'that little thing' as Carlos Marcello and others called her . . . now is the time to bring out what you know." Spared by Marcello: Judyth Vary Baker, e-mail to Dave Reitzes and others, November 22, 2000 (writing about herself in the third person): "In the end, Lee Oswald was murdered for his part in penetrating the assassination ring he had joined in hopes of destroying. Judyth, liked by Marcello, was spared IF she would keep her mouth shut and withdraw from the medical community. Judyth complied." Judyth Vary Baker, e-mail forwarded to Dave Reitzes, September 27, 2000: "Don't worry, I'm safe, because they respect Carlos Marcello's original order to leave me alone so long as I do not mention the names of anybody still alive, or too close to anybody alive, and i [sic] have not and will not. I would be the deadest meat in the world if I said everything i [sic] know." Judyth Vary Baker, e-mail to Dave Reitzes, October 7, 2000: ". . . [O]ne of the things that saved me was Carlos' [sic] Marcello's fondness for me and my favorite girlfriend in New Orleans." Judyth Vary Baker, e-mail to Dave Reitzes and one other recipient, November 7, 2000: "I was fortnate [sic] in that carlos [sic] marcello [sic], just as he did for Anna, was kind enough to protect me from harm. It was his personal word that I would not talk." Tabs picked up by Marcello: Judyth Vary Baker, e-mail to Terry Mauro, posted by Mauro to JFKresearch.com, December 29, 2002: "I ate with Lee downtown, we had free access to The Five Hundred Club, a free tab, had to pay nothing, same for Court of Two Sisters and a couple of other places run by Marcello's people, where we could come in as long as it wasn;t [sic] night-time and order anything we wanted, tab on Marcello." Judyth Vary Baker, e-mail forwarded to Dave Reitzes with Judyth's permission, October 29, 2000: ". . . Lee liked to take me to places called 'Lee' just for a blast. That is why we also went out to thre [sic] House of lkee [sic] and I [sic] found out that critter was in tight with the mafia, because the meal was free(Marcello [sic] paid the tab wherever we went where the mob owned or part-owned a place." Judyth Vary Baker, e-mail forwarded to Dave Reitzes, October 2, 2000: ". . . THESE WERE NIGHTCLUBS...let's see, Five Hundred Club, House of Lee (restaurant, only one), Court of Two (or was it three) Sisters, and hotel meals, almost all of them lunches and a few early dinners because we did this during the day. . . . [T]hey brought the tab over, and Lee scribbled something on it, but it was shown to us 'paid' at Five Hundred Club. Other places, the tab was picked up later when Le